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derosnec 11-21-2007 03:37 PM

Why is he not shoving?
 
seems to be a trend lately that hands play like this when i have QQ

villain is 12/10/7 after 300 hands. i have a good boy image (very little 3betting)

only read i have is he played KK this way (he was pfr though and raised donk bet). only other hand that went to showdown when he was not pfr was he had KQ and floated flop/bet turn


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($145.15)
MP ($49.25)
Button ($54.20)
Hero ($61.95)
BB ($149)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $7</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $5.

Flop: ($14.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $11</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $33</font>, Hero

james_leach 11-21-2007 04:03 PM

Re: Why is he not shoving?
 
I don't know that I've ever seen a 7 aggression factor. I think that I would get it in against somebody with one here, because it would indicate that he's raising 1010, JJ and a lot of other stuff. Against a 12/10/anything sane, I think this is a fold.

ajmargarine 11-21-2007 04:07 PM

Re: Why is he not shoving?
 
Shove-a-rooni.

They might play 2 diamonds, TT+ like this. Smaller pp's too if he is so inclined to call 3b's with them. High variance obv, but a shove is OK imo.

Milky 11-21-2007 04:08 PM

Re: Why is he not shoving?
 
You'd think that he'd 4bet KK/AA pf, so with that being said I think this is a shove. He can be doing this with TT/JJ/A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and some bluffs enough for this to be profitable IMO.

jasonfish11 11-21-2007 04:10 PM

Re: Why is he not shoving?
 
[ QUOTE ]
I don't know that I've ever seen a 7 aggression factor

[/ QUOTE ]

There is a guy I try to sit at the same table with that is running 24/20/17 over 500+ hands. I dont think this guy has a call button on his computer.

doppelganger 11-21-2007 04:11 PM

Re: Why is he not shoving?
 
I think a 12/10 PF player who just calls a 3bet is probably on a range of 99+/AQs+. He'll play the flop this way w/ all of the overpairs, sets, and the suited portion of the overcards.

Board: 3d 4d 9c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 45.869% 44.25% 01.62% 77541 2835.00 { QQ }
Hand 1: 54.131% 52.51% 01.62% 92019 2835.00 { 99+, AdKd, AdQd }


Stove says we're slightly behind his range but with pot odds we can't fold.

derosnec 11-21-2007 04:12 PM

Re: Why is he not shoving?
 
yeah i know he can have 2 diamonds, TT/JJ, but why is he not shoving them? when was the last time you saw someone make a PSR in a 3bet pot with those hands?

ajmargarine 11-21-2007 04:15 PM

Re: Why is he not shoving?
 
So, you're saying if he pushed, you'd instacall? But because he raised weird (only effectively pushing), you wanna fold?

doppelganger 11-21-2007 04:15 PM

Re: Why is he not shoving?
 
He could be using a betting script.

derosnec 11-21-2007 04:16 PM

Re: Why is he not shoving?
 
yes


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