going into check/fold mode then hitting your hand
 

on the money bubble of the full tilt 150. this guy has already called my raises 2x from LP and insta folded to bets on the flop both times.

river action made me want to crawl up in a ball and die. thoughts?

Full Tilt Poker Game #1851138772: $20,000 Guarantee (13581681), Table 21 - 300/600 Ante 75 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:12:34 ET - 2007/02/22
Seat 1: Michael1123 (17,611)
Seat 2: Cam26 (12,252)
Seat 3: eggtart (22,878)
Seat 4: Mcknight99 (6,900)
Seat 6: gboro780 (42,406)
Seat 7: peenuthut (10,885)
Seat 9: UCanSMD (22,033)
Michael1123 antes 75
Cam26 antes 75
eggtart antes 75
Mcknight99 antes 75
gboro780 antes 75
peenuthut antes 75
UCanSMD antes 75
Michael1123 posts the small blind of 300
Cam26 posts the big blind of 600
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to gboro780 [Qd Th]
eggtart folds
Mcknight99 folds
gboro780 raises to 1,800
peenuthut folds
UCanSMD calls 1,800
Michael1123 folds
Cam26 folds
*** FLOP *** [8c Kh 8d]
gboro780 bets 3,000
UCanSMD calls 3,000
*** TURN *** [8c Kh 8d] [9s]
gboro780 has 15 seconds left to act
gboro780 checks
UCanSMD checks
*** RIVER *** [8c Kh 8d 9s] [Jh]
gboro780 bets 8,000
UCanSMD raises to 17,158, and is all in

Re: going into check/fold mode then hitting your hand
 

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t300/t600
(Ante: t75)
7 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t22878
UTG+1: t6900
Hero: t42406
CO: t10885
Button: t22033
SB: t17611
BB: t12252

Pre-flop: (7 players) Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to t1800</font>, CO folds, Button calls t1800 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t3225)</font>, 2 folds.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t5025, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets t3000</font>, Button calls t3000 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t8025)</font>.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t11025, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t11025, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets t8000</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises all-in t17158</font>.
Uncalled bets: t9158 returned to Button.

Results:
Final pot: t36183

Re: going into check/fold mode then hitting your hand
 

I think you have to call this. Your line is c-bet, check, stab so I think he can be value pushing a worse hand often enough that with a pot this big, you should call.

Re: going into check/fold mode then hitting your hand
 

um..lol

easiest call ever

Re: going into check/fold mode then hitting your hand
 

Also, if you think his flop call is suspicious, then cc river maybe best.

Re: going into check/fold mode then hitting your hand
 

my bad on the hand converter registrar.

my first thought was that i just can't fold with the size of the pot. but there's like 0.0 chance of a bluff here and i basically have to pray he has an unlikely A8 or T8s type hand or or a weird played AA or something. i also think he would call the river not shove with a naked king.

i just get upset with myself when i look people up knowing i'm beat and this is one of those spots. is anyone folding here ever ?

Re: going into check/fold mode then hitting your hand
 

I imagine it felt bad when he made that reraise but theres no way you can get away from it. If hes got the FH so be it - you were unlucky the way the cards came. Realistically though, theres alot of hands he could make that push with that you have beat.

Re: going into check/fold mode then hitting your hand
 

This is a really tough spot. I think you need to all hoping he either slowplayed 8x or has something stupid like AA or AK. I feel like your behind a lot here but your getting pretty good odds.

Re: going into check/fold mode then hitting your hand
 

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my bad on the hand converter registrar.

my first thought was that i just can't fold with the size of the pot. but there's like 0.0 chance of a bluff here and i basically have to pray he has KQ or a weird played AA or something. i just get upset with myself when i look people up knowing i'm beat and this is one of those spots. is anyone folding here ever ?

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I think the weirdly played AKs, KQs, KJs, 78s added to 'man up' factor, added to the fact that your line can easily be interpreted not just as you've rivered a boat or even more weirdly a straight. I think it's not clear enough to villain that he's not pushing for value here with enough hands that you beat.

If you're happy folding, I personally think that's fine but, for the reasons given, I think calling is fairly substantially +EV.

Re: going into check/fold mode then hitting your hand
 

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