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SABR42 11-29-2007 06:46 PM

600 NL, big draw against floater.
 
Villain is 60/3 over like 30 hands. He calls flop with any piece, and can bluff missed draws on later streets.

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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

Hero ($657.15)
Button ($493.80)
SB ($657)
BB ($581.20)
UTG ($598.05)
UTG+1 ($591)
MP1 ($558)
MP2 ($577.65)
MP3 ($408.90)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $24</font>, Button calls $24, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($57) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $42</font>, Button calls $42.

Turn: ($141) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $50</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $591.15</font>

Grinding2Ecstasy 11-29-2007 06:51 PM

Re: 600 NL, big draw against floater.
 
This seems pretty reasonable to me, if he's this loose and calls that light on the flop, his range of holdings here contains mostly weak hands and draws which can't call off that kind of money. If he IS stupid enough to stack off with a weak hand you have plenty of equity still. Your line looks very strong though, so I doubt he looks you up light.

sambo_888 11-29-2007 07:52 PM

Re: 600 NL, big draw against floater.
 
standard, nice hand.

QTip 11-29-2007 08:05 PM

Re: 600 NL, big draw against floater.
 
I don't like it. Against a tighter player i like it. Against a really lose, bad player, I think you should take your good implied odds and hope to catch. As it stands, you're putting it in with probably 35% equity with poor FE. Why?

Grinding2Ecstasy 11-29-2007 08:12 PM

Re: 600 NL, big draw against floater.
 
why do you think he has poor FE. The villain hasnt really shown any strength in this hand except betting tiny when checked to on the turn.

QTip 11-29-2007 08:21 PM

Re: 600 NL, big draw against floater.
 
That's just been my experience with people who play a lot of hands....I mean, we only have 3 rounds on this guy...so who knows. I'm just saying that against most unknown extremely loose players, they don't like to fold...esp if they seem a bit passive and are betting.

QTip 11-29-2007 08:35 PM

Re: 600 NL, big draw against floater.
 
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betting tiny when checked to on the turn.

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Giving someone 4:1 ain't all that tiny. Also, he may not even realize what his bet size means and $50 is a lot of money to him type of stuff...

mab812 11-29-2007 08:41 PM

Re: 600 NL, big draw against floater.
 
i agree with tip here.

with 15 outs, he's giving you a chance to hit and take his remaining 60big blinds....

at least from an implied odds perspective - unless you know uber donk will fold his turn bluff/weak hand to your c/raise all in.

Grinding2Ecstasy 11-29-2007 08:59 PM

Re: 600 NL, big draw against floater.
 
who knows if you have 15 outs, villain could have a bigger FD and/or blockers

bottomset 11-29-2007 09:29 PM

Re: 600 NL, big draw against floater.
 
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betting tiny when checked to on the turn.

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Giving someone 4:1 ain't all that tiny. Also, he may not even realize what his bet size means and $50 is a lot of money to him type of stuff...

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its maybe not tiny in the $50 is a lot of money(but then he has no business playing 3/6)

but its absolutely tiny given the board

I think you get looked up a little to often and he did give you insta-ev on a c/c


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