Wynn Floor Decision: Weird Spot
 

So the action at the Wynn is crazy this week and limit hold'em is dying. There were just two tables of 15/30 and one of 30/60 while there were several tables of omaha variations and every table in the room was going.

I was sitting in the 30 and an interesting floor decision came up.
The action goes as follows:

MP raises preflop, BTN 3 bets, SB folds, BB 4 bets and before anyone one notices/says something the flop is dealt without MP and and BTN calling the BB's 3 bet.

Flop comes out and BB bets, MP calls, BTN raises and BB calls.....and here is when someone finally points out that the pot isn't right and that MP and BTN hadn't called the preflop 4 bet.

Floor is called over...what should they do?

Thanks,
Bill

Re: Wynn Floor Decision: Weird Spot
 

Since they have all voluntarily put money in on the flop I would think that they have to pay it no matter what...

Re: Wynn Floor Decision: Weird Spot
 

One other important piece of information is that the betting is capped at 5 bets per street, so the 4 bet preflop was not the cap and MP or BTN could have 5 bet had they been aware that BB made it 4 to go.

Re: Wynn Floor Decision: Weird Spot
 

MP and Button owe a bet to make pre-flop pot right.
Since there has been significant action on the flop, the flop stays.
No more Patrón for the players.

Re: Wynn Floor Decision: Weird Spot
 

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Since they have all voluntarily put money in on the flop I would think that they have to pay it no matter what...

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And they can't retroactively cap preflop because they didn't protect their action.

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Dealer gets a KITN.

Re: Wynn Floor Decision: Weird Spot
 

just like a botched/premature turn card. The flop is picked up, preflop betting action completed. New Flop dealt(no burn), betting on the flop.

The old flop reshuffled back into the deck after the reshuffle the burn and turn complete as normal. Bet,burn, river bet, award winner. THEN KICK DEALER IN NUTS.

Re: Wynn Floor Decision: Weird Spot
 

MrFizzbin is right. Since they still have a decision on putting money in, the flop is picked up and shuffled in. Betting is completed, then flop. Whee.

Nick

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And they can't retroactively cap preflop because they didn't protect their action.

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QFT

Re: Wynn Floor Decision: Weird Spot
 

I don't believe you can pick up the flop as there has been significant action. The 2 players who never got their bets in should have dead hands. They failed to protect their hands by stopping the action sooner.