Are we REALLY willing to gamble to win?
 

Hypothetical scenario that I think comes up often enough that I should have an answer for it (my typical answer is to shove but I'm an idiot):

It's getting late in the tourney and you are a slightly below average stack (~5k) sitting on the button with AJs. The BB is 400 with an ante of 50.

Assume that the chip leaders in the tourney have just over 20k.

UTG+1 raises to 1400. MP player calls. Both players have a stack of 6,500. There is now approximately 4k in the pot. Shove?

What if I tell you that UTG+1 is going to call you with QQ and MP is going to fold?

Same question as the above but your stack is 4k instead of 5k?

Re: Are we REALLY willing to gamble to win?
 

If youre playing 9 handed, its a fold.

Re: Are we REALLY willing to gamble to win?
 

I'm not certain how 6 v. 9-handed matters if I tell you that you're getting looked up by QQ?

Re: Are we REALLY willing to gamble to win?
 

AJs is not strong enough to shove.

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What if I tell you that UTG+1 is going to call you with QQ and MP is going to fold?

Re: Are we REALLY willing to gamble to win?
 

I can't wait to hear the punchline...

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I'm obviously trying to determine what odds we want to have before we're willing to gamble as a known dog.

I.e. If our stack was 5k and we were afforded the opportunity to shove with AJ v. QQ for 13k, would we not do it?

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I'm obviously trying to determine what odds we want to have before we're willing to gamble as a known dog.

I.e. If our stack was 5k and we were afforded the opportunity to shove with AJ v. QQ for 13k, would we not do it?

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You know you are a 2.2-1 dog, why would you stack off getting 1.5-1?

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I'm not certain how 6 v. 9-handed matters if I tell you that you're getting looked up by QQ?

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I honestly didn't think that was worth considering, I mean obv fold if we know the guy has QQ

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I'm obviously trying to determine what odds we want to have before we're willing to gamble as a known dog.

I.e. If our stack was 5k and we were afforded the opportunity to shove with AJ v. QQ for 13k, would we not do it?

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You know you are a 2.2-1 dog, why would you stack off getting 1.5-1?

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