NL2/4 Getting resqueezed
 

Party Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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Hero (BB): $620.50
UTG: $477.35
MP: $428.60
CO: $236.90
BTN: $451.75
SB: $337.65

Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
3 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $16</font>, SB calls $14, <font color="red">Hero raises to $72</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $196</font>, SB folds

Well...quite common situation, as usual I´m having some troubles with it [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
Villain was farily aggro, running at 22/19/3, probably viewed me as a standard TAG at 21/18. Barely any history between us, though there were the occasional squeezes/3-bets. The SB was some random fish fwiw.

Your standard play here?

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What hands is he 4-betting for value? Calculate your EV against that range and calculate how often villain needs to be bluffing to make a shove profitable.

Probably a shove is the right answer.

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Villain has {AK, JJ+} like always and a VERY small portion of bluffs. You need a solid amount of metagame for him to have air here, and some players will never. Do the math, count combos of pairs JJ and higher and AK, compute your equity. I think it will be a fold.

If however he is capable of having AQ type hands and air here now and then, I think a shove is slightly profitable (haven't done any math though)

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Villain was farily aggro, running at 22/19/3, probably viewed me as a standard TAG at 21/18. Barely any history between us, though there were the occasional squeezes/3-bets. The SB was some random fish fwiw.

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eh, i just fold here a lot. i genuinely think 2+2ers often think too much on a level beyond what's necessary against semi-unknown opponents. like putting a guy on a resqueeze because "he must think i'm squeezing" and then chalking it up to a cooler when he actually has what he's representing. i'd need the right image or more history with villain to shove here, and you said you have barely any with him

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Laetus,

"What hands is he 4-betting for value? Calculate your EV against that range and calculate how often villain needs to be bluffing to make a shove profitable.

Probably a fold is the right answer."

$282 in pot
He got $255 left.
Costs you $379 to shove.
You a most likely 2-1 dog versus his range (AK,JJ+). If you throw AQ in, it becomes 60-40 and more reasonable....but is AQ reasonable given stacks?

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i genuinely think 2+2ers often think too much on a level beyond what's necessary against semi-unknown opponents. like putting a guy on a resqueeze because "he must think i'm squeezing" and then chalking it up to a cooler when he actually has what he's representing.

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I totally agree with this. I don't know why, but a fair amount of advice on this forum just doesn't seem to correlate with the games I play in. Vast majority of regulars simply have what they're representing virtually all the time in my experience.

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With TT you're never ahead of this guy, at best flipping. Muck.

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I think you have to fold. At best you are a flip.

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When I read peoples replies in threads like these I sometimes think people just make up the worst possible range for villan and stop there.

Is villain really 4-betting for value and happily calling a shove with JJ here? When you all wanna fold TT? I think he is 4-betting for value with AK/AA/KK like always, and much more likely to call QQ/JJ. Sure if the meta is there he can probably happily 4-bet call with QQ often and maybe even JJ, but I think his hand is usually AA/KK/AK/bluff. Which is obviously a much better range for our hand.

You have about 40% equity vs AA/KK/AK, does he bluff enough to make the call? If he really does 4-bet JJ for value here then our equity vs his non bluffing range is only 33% though, so we need him to be bluffing a lot.

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I fold and feel good about it in this spot