A very conservative play spells disaster
 

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: 200/400
(Ante: 50)
9 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: 21,908
UTG+1: 22,409
MP1: 2,050
MP2: 24,416
treeblaze: 13,152
CO: 7,325
Button: 9,895
SB: 21,570
BB: 18,429


Pre-flop: (9 players) treeblaze is MP3 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
3 folds, MP2 raises to 1500, treeblaze calls 1500 (pot was 2550), 3 folds, BB calls 1100 (pot was 4050).


Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5150, 3 players)
BB checks, MP2 bets 800, treeblaze calls 800 (pot was 5950), BB calls 800 (pot was 6750).


Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (7550, 3 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks, treeblaze checks.


River: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (7550, 3 players)
BB checks, MP2 bets 4800, treeblaze calls 4800 (pot was 12,350), BB calls 4800 (pot was 17,150).


Results:
<font color="white">Final pot: 21,950</font>
<font color="white">MP2 showed 8c 7c</font>
<font color="white">treeblaze showed Ks Qc</font>
<font color="white">BB mucks Ad 6d</font>

I would like different opinions on how this hand should of been played, from pre-flop to river.

I appreciate all insight and views on how this topic, thanx

Re: A very conservative play spells disaster
 

not betting the turn is criminal

Re: A very conservative play spells disaster
 

why call on flop w ace there ( you are chasing) you catch lucky and you check? bad. id fold flop bet5k on turn as played.

Re: A very conservative play spells disaster
 

I know...and I wasn't trapping or anything sneaky like that. I honestly thought that his small 800 bet on the flop either meant two things...extreme strength or a post oak bluff, like a draw or something. Then when i made my 2 pair on the turn I checked because the big blind might check raise if he had a hand like AQ or J10. I felt my hand was strong but not great to lead out and if I peel one off and a blank hits then i'll feel more comfortable.

But my big blunder was CALLING 4800 WHEN THE CLUB HIT!!
if the BB was on a club draw he just got there for free, and I said i would call if a blank hit, but instead I call off half my stack with 3 clubs on board and a weak 2 pair.

I know what I did wrong...just curious how other people would of proceeded with the hand.

Re: A very conservative play spells disaster
 

fold preflop, flop is fine, 5000 on the turn, river is fine.

Re: A very conservative play spells disaster
 

What's the buyin?

Fold preflop.

As played flop is fine since he bet like 1/6 of the pot. Mid PPs seem to make bets like that a lot, and you have 5 outs to beat Ax. If he fires a bigger bet on the turn, and you don't improve, you'll need to fold. I think just folding the flop is also ok since there's 2 more betting rounds and you don't want to end up losing 3 bets to A2 or whatever he has.

Definitely bet the turn. As you saw, giving the free card is a disaster here.

River is a tough decision, but if you had bet the turn you might not have had to make it.

Re: A very conservative play spells disaster
 

Easy fold preflop.
Fold he flop. I know it hard to fold the flop given the huge pot odds, but there are 2 other players besides u, and if one of them has an A (which is likely) u only have 5 outs.
On the turn u have to bet. Your hand is very vulnerable and there is a flush draw on the board. Bet 5k to protect your hand.