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Profish2285 11-14-2007 03:51 PM

TPGK facing river aggression
 
Normally river aggression is a real hand so this would be an easy fold, but I had no idea what to put villain on tbh. The fact that I checked the turn makes me look FOS I think, which makes this river a standard call, but Im unsure. Villain runs at 22/15/2.

Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $43.60
Hero (BB): $77.30
UTG: $47.30
MP: $15.50
CO: $52.20
BTN: $57.10

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
2 folds, CO calls $0.50, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.50</font>, CO calls $2

Flop: ($5.25) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $3.50</font>, CO calls $3.50

Turn: ($12.25) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($12.25) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $9</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $22</font>, Hero....

yegon 11-14-2007 04:02 PM

Re: TPGK facing river aggression
 
you have to call, this really looks like a bluff, maybe Ax suited

I think he would have bet all his made hands on the turn so this really looks like air or Ax but you have a better kicker for sure

Profish2285 11-14-2007 04:05 PM

Re: TPGK facing river aggression
 
Well I am splitting with all aces now so does that make calling more or less correct?

C4LL4W4Y 11-14-2007 04:08 PM

Re: TPGK facing river aggression
 
weird hand, the only one that makes sense is 77 or a hand like 34s (which a 22/15 probably wouldn't play, but im not sure of your sample size), A3s, or a stone cold bluff. i'm folding unless i've seen this guy play back at tag's frequently.

Profish2285 11-14-2007 04:22 PM

Re: TPGK facing river aggression
 
Here is my thinking, why would someone who seems semi decent from their stats at least, check behind trips on the turn? He doesnt have to worry about the diamonds at all? Im not sure 77 peels this flop, but it might so I guess we can throw a few combos of that in there. At the time it really looked like missed diamonds or a weaker ace but maybe that thinking is wrong?

Profish2285 11-14-2007 04:55 PM

Re: TPGK facing river aggression
 
Shameless bump for others input.

icheckcallu 11-14-2007 04:59 PM

Re: TPGK facing river aggression
 
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Normally river aggression is a real hand so this would be an easy fold, but I had no idea what to put villain on tbh. The fact that I checked the turn makes me look FOS I think, which makes this river a standard call, but Im unsure. Villain runs at 22/15/2.

Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $43.60
Hero (BB): $77.30
UTG: $47.30
MP: $15.50
CO: $52.20
BTN: $57.10

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
2 folds, CO calls $0.50, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.50</font>, CO calls $2

Flop: ($5.25) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $3.50</font>, CO calls $3.50

Turn: ($12.25) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($12.25) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $9</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $22</font>, Hero....

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chop and villain is retarded. Insta call

C4LL4W4Y 11-14-2007 05:22 PM

Re: TPGK facing river aggression
 
[ QUOTE ]
Here is my thinking, why would someone who seems semi decent from their stats at least, check behind trips on the turn? He doesnt have to worry about the diamonds at all? Im not sure 77 peels this flop, but it might so I guess we can throw a few combos of that in there. At the time it really looked like missed diamonds or a weaker ace but maybe that thinking is wrong?

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the more i think about it, the more i sway towards a call, but in response to your post -

77 can absolutely float this flop in position against a TAG on a flop that most TAG's would cbet. as far as betting made hands on the turn, the board isn't particularly threatening - yeah there are diamonds out there, but the flop played HU - he doesn't have to worry, you don't usually have AdXd that often. i'm not saying that trips/fh is the only part of his range...what i am saying is that you can't discount them based on the fact that there is at least one draw out there and that most TAGfish would bet the turn because of that.

Profish2285 11-14-2007 05:25 PM

Re: TPGK facing river aggression
 
This confuses me then. If youre saying that boats and trips are definitely a decent chunk of his range, then this is a fold.

C4LL4W4Y 11-14-2007 05:32 PM

Re: TPGK facing river aggression
 
well honestly after thinking about it, it looks like a weak ace more than anything. but i was just saying that you can't discount those hands just because there's a diamond draw on the flop. fwiw i don't think random 3's are going to show up that much...77 is possible, A3 is possible, and other aces are possible too, which probably makes this a call (getting ~43-13, pretty sick odds).


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