Player asks me to see my mucked hand after i loose...Crown Casino...
 

Flop comes out, button bets, MP calls, i call.
Turn, button shortstacking, pushes, MP calls, i call.
River, MP checks, i check.

Button turns over AQ, MP turns over A8 for a boat, i muck.

Retard not even participating in the hand, then goes to dealer, "can we see what he has?".

Im like "the [censored]? i mucked, no you cant [censored] see".
Dealer calls supervisor over, explains action to him, and supervisor reluctantly says yes you can see.

So im like "wtf?? So your saying from now on whenever i wana see a loosing players cards, regardless of the situation, i can ask to see his hand?"

supervisor is like "uh...uh...yea as long as you dont do it too often or it will piss people off".

Needless to say, that every hand that retard played in and didnt show his cards, i called the floor for the cards to be unmucked.

[censored] [censored].

Crown casino. Melbourne. Awesome.

Re: Retard asks me to see my mucked hand after i loose...Crown Casino
 

Um, please learn the rules to poker before you start crying like you are. Run a search on I Want to See that hand.

Any player dealt in may request to see a called hand.

The rule, albeit it, is in place to try to detect and prevent collusion, but it's commonly applied as the above stated rule.

This is and has been a VERY common rule in poker rooms. I only know of 2 places that don't allow you to see the hand period unless you prove to the floor person first why you suspect there is collusion.

Re: Retard asks me to see my mucked hand after i loose...Crown Casino
 

Its quite standard that some jerk will want to see your mucked hand. Its bad form but like previously stated perfectly within the rules. Many players don't even realize they are looking like a jerk when they do it..

Re: Retard asks me to see my mucked hand after i loose...Crown Casino
 

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Its quite standard that some jerk will want to see your mucked hand. Its bad form but like previously stated perfectly within the rules. Many players don't even realize they are looking like a jerk when they do it..

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Part of the problem is Dealers and Floor don't back up the notion that it is to prohibit collusion and is a privilege not to be abused just for curiosity.

What I have seen happen is some Donk asks to see the cards because he read somewhere he has the "right" and the Floor allows the hand to be shown without explaining further. Then all freaking night people start calling to see hands.

Re: Retard asks me to see my mucked hand after i loose...Crown Casino
 

Wow, I think you overreacted.

But next time eat the cards. Then no-one will know what you had.

Re: Retard asks me to see my mucked hand after i loose...Crown Casino
 

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Wow, I think you overreacted.

But next time eat the cards. Then no-one will know what you had.

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Eating the cards is the obvious play. I normally opt for asking the person invoking IWTSTH to explain exactly how he suspects that I am cheating, and if colluding exactly who he thinks I am colluding with. But next time, I think I will eat the cards.

Re: Retard asks me to see my mucked hand after i loose...Crown Casino
 

It's completely within the rules to ask to see the cards. I don't understand why anyone would take it personally. It's as stupid as getting pissed because someone check raised or bluffed you.

Re: Retard asks me to see my mucked hand after i loose...Crown Casino
 

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It's completely within the rules to ask to see the cards. I don't understand why anyone would take it personally. It's as stupid as getting pissed because someone check raised or bluffed you.

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The rule is to prevent collusion.

To invoke the rule is to imply cheating.

I react kind of funny when accused of being a cheater.

...plus, it slows down the stinking game.

Re: Retard asks me to see my mucked hand after i loose...Crown Casino
 

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It's completely within the rules to ask to see the cards. I don't understand why anyone would take it personally. It's as stupid as getting pissed because someone check raised or bluffed you.

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Not even close to being the same thing. I personally don't care if someone asks me to see my cards. But when the table fish makes a bad call, loses all of his money, and then some douchebag who isn't in the hand makes him show his 2nd pair 3 kicker and therefore embarrasses him in front of everyone when he's just trying to have a good time, I get really [censored] pissed off. If the guy stays and doesn't have a problem with it, I'll keep my mouth shut. If he leaves with an embarrassed look on his face, the second he is gone I will give the douchebag the berating he deserves.

Re: Retard asks me to see my mucked hand after i loose...Crown Casino
 

I play at crown and i've asked about this, ONLY people participating in the hand are allowed to ask to see the mucked cards at showdown

Re: Retard asks me to see my mucked hand after i loose...Crown Casino
 

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I play at crown and i've asked about this, ONLY people participating in the hand are allowed to ask to see the mucked cards at showdown

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I've seen this variation of the rule before and personally I think its retarded as it takes away the true purpose of the rule. If I actually suspect 2 people of colluding I shouldn't have to stay in the pot just so I can prove it at the end.

Re: Retard asks me to see my mucked hand after i loose...Crown Casino
 

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To invoke the rule is to imply cheating.

I react kind of funny when accused of being a cheater.


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Of course if you have any clue whatsoever, you realize, if you've been in a cardroom for any decent length of time, that this isn't what they're implying at all. It's what you're projecting on them that that's their intention.

Why not look at the actual reasons behind their actions before making claims on their actual intent. You might find it's as far from accusing you of anything that it can be.

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Re: Retard asks me to see my mucked hand after i loose...Crown Casino
 

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To invoke the rule is to imply cheating.

I react kind of funny when accused of being a cheater.


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Of course if you have any clue whatsoever, you realize, if you've been in a cardroom for any decent length of time, that this isn't what they're implying at all. It's what you're projecting on them that that's their intention.

Why not look at the actual reasons behind their actions before making claims on their actual intent. You might find it's as far from accusing you of anything that it can be.

b

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I think most of us know that its not why they are doing it. But we are pissed off they are asking in the first place so we get defensive and use this line as a way of pointing out to them that if they don't think we are cheating they shouldn't be asking.

Re: Retard asks me to see my mucked hand after i loose...Crown Casino
 

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To invoke the rule is to imply cheating.

I react kind of funny when accused of being a cheater.


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Of course if you have any clue whatsoever, you realize, if you've been in a cardroom for any decent length of time, that this isn't what they're implying at all. It's what you're projecting on them that that's their intention.

Why not look at the actual reasons behind their actions before making claims on their actual intent. You might find it's as far from accusing you of anything that it can be.

b

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Frankly, I do have a "clue whatsoever" my point is that this is generally considered to be extremely poor etiquette - particularly among the more experienced Live players

Re: Retard asks me to see my mucked hand after i loose...Crown Casino
 

I've only run into this once playing live and I'm fairly sure the goof that did it couldn't comprehend or use any information he gained about my play of one hand.

Rather than get annoyed about it, why not comply, make a mental note that this guy is probably watching you for tells and he may be willing to make decisions based on what he thinks he knows because of said tells. Use this to your advantage; profit. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Re: Retard asks me to see my mucked hand after i loose...Crown Casino
 

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I've only run into this once playing live and I'm fairly sure the goof that did it couldn't comprehend or use any information he gained about my play of one hand.

Rather than get annoyed about it, why not comply, make a mental note that this guy is probably watching you for tells and he may be willing to make decisions based on what he thinks he knows because of said tells. Use this to your advantage; profit. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Clearly this is the pragmatic approach and what I ultimately do in 99% of all potential "Tilt" inducing situations. Pragmatic cool heads will more often lead to winning Poker.

...now for that pesky final 1%

Re: Retard asks me to see my mucked hand after i loose...Crown Casino
 

I usually try to just muck them forcefully when some assclown does this, and they usually don't say anything.It's always some pervert WWII vet who does this, and they're so old that nobody takes them seriously anyway.

If the dealer does successfully turn my cards over, I ask to see the hand every time until they left the table.

Re: Retard asks me to see my mucked hand after i loose...Crown Casino
 

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To invoke the rule is to imply cheating.

I react kind of funny when accused of being a cheater.


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Of course if you have any clue whatsoever, you realize, if you've been in a cardroom for any decent length of time, that this isn't what they're implying at all. It's what you're projecting on them that that's their intention.

Why not look at the actual reasons behind their actions before making claims on their actual intent. You might find it's as far from accusing you of anything that it can be.

b

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I think most of us know that its not why they are doing it. But we are pissed off they are asking in the first place so we get defensive and use this line as a way of pointing out to them that if they don't think we are cheating they shouldn't be asking.

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I think it's an absolute waste of energy to even get pissed off about it.

Much better things to worry about when on the table.

b

Re: Retard asks me to see my mucked hand after i loose...Crown Casino
 

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To invoke the rule is to imply cheating.

I react kind of funny when accused of being a cheater.


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Of course if you have any clue whatsoever, you realize, if you've been in a cardroom for any decent length of time, that this isn't what they're implying at all. It's what you're projecting on them that that's their intention.

Why not look at the actual reasons behind their actions before making claims on their actual intent. You might find it's as far from accusing you of anything that it can be.

b

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Frankly, I do have a "clue whatsoever" my point is that this is generally considered to be extremely poor etiquette - particularly among the more experienced Live players

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There's alot worse poor 'etiquette' at the table to worry about than this.

b

Re: Retard asks me to see my mucked hand after i loose...Crown Casino
 

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If the dealer does successfully turn my cards over, I ask to see the hand every time until they left the table.

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Do you stamp your feet when you do this too?

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Re: Retard asks me to see my mucked hand after i loose...Crown Casino
 

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I usually try to just muck them forcefully when some assclown does this, and they usually don't say anything.It's always some pervert WWII vet who does this, and they're so old that nobody takes them seriously anyway.

If the dealer does successfully turn my cards over, I ask to see the hand every time until they left the table.

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Really don't understand why you project WWII vet status to any random old pervert degen. Do you think all old perverts are WWII vets, or do you think all WWII vets are perverts?

Why did you feel it necessary to put pervert and WWII vet together at all?

Re: Retard asks me to see my mucked hand after i loose...Crown Casino
 

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I usually try to just muck them forcefully when some assclown does this, and they usually don't say anything.It's always some pervert WWII vet who does this, and they're so old that nobody takes them seriously anyway.

If the dealer does successfully turn my cards over, I ask to see the hand every time until they left the table.

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Really don't understand why you project WWII vet status to any random old pervert degen. Do you think all old perverts are WWII vets, or do you think all WWII vets are perverts?

Why did you feel it necessary to put pervert and WWII vet together at all?

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Yeah. Why not make it a Korean War Vet, I guess its the Forgotten War for a reason.

Re: Retard asks me to see my mucked hand after i loose...Crown Casino
 

At Foxwoods the IWTSTH rule has been abused so much that the dealers have taken the lead in dealing with the fallout.

If the person who is asked to show his hand objects, the dealer instructs the player asking to see, that this is the last time he will be allowed to do it. Unless he is actually suspicious of collusion. The Floor if called over, will say the same thing.

I am trying to start a grass roots campaign to change the way IWTSTH is implemented at FW. I have spoken to several Floor to ask them their opinion (the rule is universally hated so far) and have suggested to them that they bring up an alternative to their supervisors. The way I would like to see the rule handled is: when a player wants to invoke IWTSTH the dealer then should ask if that player suspects collusion. Only if the answer is yes, would the cards be turned over.

Note that FW is also attemting to disallow "HU checking hands down". Which should eliminate a legitamite use of IWTSTH.

I invite other FW regulars to let the Floor there know how ridiculous the current implementation of IWTSTH is - and to support the alternative mentioned above or simply ban it outright.

Re: Retard asks me to see my mucked hand after i loose...Crown Casino
 

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The rule is to prevent collusion.
To invoke the rule is to imply cheating.
I react kind of funny when accused of being a cheater.
...plus, it slows down the stinking game.

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When a donk asks, it's not to imply cheating, but to see your cards. If you think they are implying you are cheating you are giving them too much credit. Lighten up francis.

Re: Retard asks me to see my mucked hand after i loose...Crown Casino
 

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The rule is to prevent collusion.
To invoke the rule is to imply cheating.
I react kind of funny when accused of being a cheater.
...plus, it slows down the stinking game.

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When a donk asks, it's not to imply cheating, but to see your cards. If you think they are implying you are cheating you are giving them too much credit. Lighten up francis.

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Any of you donks asks to see my cards...

...I'll kill ya.

Re: Retard asks me to see my mucked hand after i loose...Crown Casino
 

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The way I would like to see the rule handled is: when a player wants to invoke IWTSTH the dealer then should ask if that player suspects collusion. Only if the answer is yes, would the cards be turned over.

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Seems easy enough. Email or talk to your local card-room boss.

Re: Retard asks me to see my mucked hand after i loose...Crown Casino
 

if this rule is to prevent collusion im curious about my story i was at fw and i lost a hu pot to a guy with aa and busted in the hand and he asked to see mine

Re: Retard asks me to see my mucked hand after i loose...Crown Casino
 

Back in the day about 30 years ago, my dad was a poker specialist, at holdem and stud and such. He played in back rooms, and losing a lot of money was common, like now. But back then he told me that people would ask to see players cards all the time, and if you didn't show, its as if your not coroporating with the rules.

So as time progressed people got pissier when asked, and now nobody asks, so people don't even know you can ask.

An instance came up last year, at the WSOP, where another player who won the hand, called down w/ an A high, and said "I wanna see your cards" the player threw his cards into the pile, which should be a penalty.

Re: Retard asks me to see my mucked hand after i loose...Crown Casino
 

Amazing all the information retards can get from seeing one hand I played. My game is completely transparent, everyone at the table has picked up on my major tell, and I have to add more deception to my game to trick them.

I, in fact, plan ahead for this very situation. I keep a pair of sunglasses in my back pocket. I practice in front of the mirror to nail the fake tells. I then play loose at first, forcing as many hands to showdown as possible. I then open-muck on the river when my all-in bluff is called.

After this, I change my game entirely. I play more disciplined, hoping to use my donkey image to my advantage. In fact, I am so tight, they forget about me. I kindly show the nuts, and set them up for the big bluffs on later streets.

I make sure that I control all of the information my opponents get. Try it. It really works.

Re: Retard asks me to see my mucked hand after i loose...Crown Casino
 

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Note that FW is also attemting to disallow "HU checking hands down". Which should eliminate a legitamite use of IWTSTH.


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Sorry, what?

I'm assuming you mean explicitly talking about checking it down, which will really do not very much.

Re: Retard asks me to see my mucked hand after i loose...Crown Casino
 

If you're quicker about mucking, specifically if your cards touch the muck, they won't (should not) show your hand on grounds that it may be intermixed with other people's cards. So be quicker about mucking if this really bothers you.

Re: Retard asks me to see my mucked hand after i loose...Crown Casino
 

not even mucking will help sometimes, i played at seneca niagara this wknd, mucked my hand after the other guy turned over his cards after an AI, he reached into the muck while the dealer was pushing the pot and turned over my cards that were at most 10% sticking out

Re: Retard asks me to see my mucked hand after i loose...Crown Casino
 

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Note that FW is also attemting to disallow "HU checking hands down". Which should eliminate a legitamite use of IWTSTH.


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Sorry, what?

I'm assuming you mean explicitly talking about checking it down, which will really do not very much.

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Yes, that is what I was talking about. They have always disallowed explicit HU check downs in tournament play and are now going to apply it to cash games as well.

I agree with you that the policy doesn't change things too much.

However, this is one of the few times that I think IWTSTH is legitamite. When two people have raised and gotten it HU and then explicitly check it down, I want to see both hands to see if there was any mischief, conscious or not.

Re: Retard asks me to see my mucked hand after i loose...Crown Casino
 

next time burn the m'fing place down man, then no one gets to see ur cards

that or play 5-10nl+, everyone is a perfect gentleman/gentlewoman

Re: Retard asks me to see my mucked hand after i loose...Crown Casino
 

bad manners but he did pay to see.

Re: Player asks me to see my mucked hand after i loose...Crown Casino
 

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Flop comes out, button bets, MP calls, i call.
Turn, button shortstacking, pushes, MP calls, i call.
River, MP checks, i check.

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Any player dealt in may request to see a called hand.

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Am I the only one here seeing that he didn't bet, he only called and therefore IWTSTH doesn't apply?

Re: Player asks me to see my mucked hand after i loose...Crown Casino
 

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Flop comes out, button bets, MP calls, i call.
Turn, button shortstacking, pushes, MP calls, i call.
River, MP checks, i check.

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Any player dealt in may request to see a called hand.

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Am I the only one here seeing that he didn't bet, he only called and therefore IWTSTH doesn't apply?

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if you bet and i call and i lose some prick at the table can ask to see my hand.

Re: Player asks me to see my mucked hand after i loose...Crown Casino
 

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Am I the only one here seeing that he didn't bet, he only called and therefore IWTSTH doesn't apply?

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Wow, SuperNit alert. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] Any hand that can make a claim at showdown is eligible for IWTSTH.