What should be the ruling here?
 

Two players involved in a large pot at showdown. A scare (flush) card appears on the river. Out of position guy checks his 2 pair. Aggressive guy in position fires a large bet. OOP thinks for some time then calls, obviously frustrated. Aggressive guy, possibly angle shooting, says "Got a flush..."

2 pair guy angrily flips his hand over in front on him and says "Take it". Everyone at the table including the dealer see his hand.

Now for the key moment - another player at the table tosses his cards into the muck before the other hand is shown.

The other guy now says "No...i meant, do you have a flush?". He now reveals 1 pair for what was the losing hand.

"...but I'll take the pot, his cards are in the muck" he says.

What proceeds now is an almighty blowup at the table. The floor is called over.

What's the right call?



.Z

Re: What should be the ruling here?
 

In my very uninformed opinion, the guy with the best hand wins. Cards speak and everyone saw them. Goes double if they are easily identifiable in the muck.

Re: What should be the ruling here?
 

2 pair wins. easy

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right call is 2 pair wins the pot. Hand was turned over. Simple and done.

Re: What should be the ruling here?
 

Once his cards are tabled, they play. Another player cannot kill his hand. Dealer cannot kill his hand. Guy who said "flush" and tried to claim the pot needs to be told forcefully by the floor that intentionally miscalling a hand is cheating and won't be tolerated.

Re: What should be the ruling here?
 

The guy who had the two pair verbally surrendered the hand, its not clear if the statement by the other player was a question or a statement. The guy with one pair was under no obligation to show his cards, so I dont know why he did. It seems like his statement was a question so he takes the pot. What did the floor rule?

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The guy who had the two pair verbally surrendered the hand, its not clear if the statement by the other player was a question or a statement. The guy with one pair was under no obligation to show his cards, so I dont know why he did. It seems like his statement was a question so he takes the pot. What did the floor rule?

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You can only verbally surrender your hand if you do not show. If he shows, his verbal declaration of "take it" does not set precedence until the other player shows a winner.

Re: What should be the ruling here?
 

The reaction of the guy that said 'flush' lead me to believe it was an angle shoot. You would think most 'reasonable' people would give the pot to the best hand no matter what the ruling. But the angle shooter started making a BIG scene, finger pointing and yelling at the floor "YOU KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT RULING IS!".

Floor told the dealer to award the pot to the best hand (2 pair).



.Z

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Floor told the dealer to award the pot to the best hand (2 pair).

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I love a happy ending.

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The guy who had the two pair verbally surrendered the hand, its not clear if the statement by the other player was a question or a statement. The guy with one pair was under no obligation to show his cards, so I dont know why he did. It seems like his statement was a question so he takes the pot.

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You either have a problem with reading comprehension or have never played in a B & M.

Showdown.
Player A tables his cards face up. He shows 2 pair.
Player B either shows a better hand or loses the pot. He shows 1 pair.

2 pair wins beats 1 pair.