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nation 10-29-2007 07:14 PM

200nl: butchered set with 77 on ak7 board
 
villain is 12/9. i feel like i played this hand horribly. i'm not sure why i didn't c/r the flop. i dont know what to do on the turn.

Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BB: $222.10
UTG: $204.10
Hero (UTG+1): $257.45
MP1: $82
MP2: $71.70
CO: $346.05
BTN: $197
SB: $193

Pre-Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG+1)
UTG folds, Hero calls $2, 2 folds, CO calls $2, <font color="red">BTN raises to $12</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $10, CO folds

Flop: ($29) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $22</font>, Hero calls $22

Turn: ($73) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $55</font>, <font color="red">Hero...

shat4brains 10-29-2007 07:20 PM

Re: 200nl: butchered set with 77 on ak7 board
 
i b/3b that flop as played shove and pray he doesnt have AK

Woolygimp 10-29-2007 07:21 PM

Re: 200nl: butchered set with 77 on ak7 board
 
Turn is the easiest call in the world, this is a WA/WB situation in position. You don't charge draws by raising, and there's very little chance that you're bluffing on this board and he should know that so AQ/AJ/AT can find a fold here if you do raise.


I raise a small river bet, and I flat anything 75% of pot or more.

Getting it in on the river won't be hard if you think you're ahead, but you'll have more information by then and can make a more informed decision. This also gives him the opportunity for him to bluff, or even put you on a float and call you with something like QQ or JJ.

'Shove and pray' ...great advice.

guaranteedBluff 10-29-2007 07:22 PM

Re: 200nl: butchered set with 77 on ak7 board
 
i either bet/3bet or c/r that flop 100% of the time...

as played shove; he could show up with AQ/AJ here, no?

nation 10-29-2007 07:25 PM

Re: 200nl: butchered set with 77 on ak7 board
 
that's kind of what i was thinking. my first instinct though was that i was beat and he had to have ak or kk hoping to stack a lone ace.

but then i thought aq or aj might be in his range. i don't know.

SABR42 10-29-2007 08:19 PM

Re: 200nl: butchered set with 77 on ak7 board
 
[ QUOTE ]
Turn is the easiest call in the world, this is a WA/WB situation in position.

[/ QUOTE ]
You gave good advice if hero were in position, but hero is out of position.

CalledDownLight 10-29-2007 08:19 PM

Re: 200nl: butchered set with 77 on ak7 board
 
meh, I probably call and then c/c. I like leading for $16 on the flop and then 3betting.

Chargers In 07 10-29-2007 08:22 PM

Re: 200nl: butchered set with 77 on ak7 board
 
[ QUOTE ]
meh, I probably call and then c/c. I like leading for $16 on the flop and then 3betting.

[/ QUOTE ]isn't this line transparent against a 12/9 at the $200? You're really hoping he has AK but a 12/9 is going to be raising a wide range on the button so doesn't this lose value?

Woolygimp 10-29-2007 08:26 PM

Re: 200nl: butchered set with 77 on ak7 board
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Turn is the easiest call in the world, this is a WA/WB situation in position.

[/ QUOTE ]
You gave good advice if hero were in position, but hero is out of position.

[/ QUOTE ]

For some reason I read the hand backwards. I c/r the flop, as played i like a call then a lead/call.

Renton 10-29-2007 08:46 PM

Re: 200nl: butchered set with 77 on ak7 board
 
not raising this hand preflop is making you pretty easy to exploit, and its making it very difficult for you to get 3 streets of value with tptk and overpairs.

yeah c/r the flop. I don't think this is a good spot to lead, since you can't represent a very wide range. Granted, c/r doesn't rep a very wide range either, but at least you can convince him that if you have a draw he can "call and get it in on a blank." b3b doesn't even give him that option, since he has to make his commitment decision before the turn.

I guess crai the turn as played, but yeah you definitely butchered it, and your biggest mistake with regard to you being an overall optimal tight aggressive player was preflop.


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