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milesdyson

11-30-2007 03:21 AM

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CO is like 28/20/1.4 or so over about 500 hands.

$5/$10 Limit Hold'em - 4 players
Hand Converter Tool from DeucesCracked.com

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero raises, CO 3-bets, SB folds, BB folds, Hero caps!, CO calls.

Flop: (9.60 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls.

Turn: (5.80 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls.

River: (7.80 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

inferno

11-30-2007 04:37 AM

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nein~!

slamhound

11-30-2007 04:44 AM

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Playing against yourself?

Also, if villain has half a brain, he'll check back anything that's not a straight.

Saikkonen

11-30-2007 04:46 AM

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I don't know about turnbet unless villain 3bets a lot preflop with low pockets or he has a low went to showdown percentage. You only beat something like A8 or AJ and split with AK.

Bet the river. I think any lower straigt or two pair will call you or even one pair occassionally.

milesdyson

11-30-2007 04:51 AM

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Hero should be UTG obviously

milesdyson

11-30-2007 04:53 AM

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also

Hand #1
Absolute Poker $5/$10 Limit Hold'em - 4 players
Hand Converter Tool from DeucesCracked.com

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
CO folds, Hero raises, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.60 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn: (3.30 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls.

River: (7.30 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.30 BB

Results:
BB shows Js, 6s (Four of a kind, jacks).
Hero mucks Ad, Ac.
Outcome: BB wins 9.10 BB.

Hand #2
Absolute Poker $5/$10 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
Hand Converter Tool from DeucesCracked.com

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, MP folds, CO folds, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, BB folds, Button calls.

Flop: (7.00 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero raises, Button calls.

River: (8.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB

Results:
Button mucks 7s, Kh. <-- thought he could fold that [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
Hero shows Td, 8d (One pair, eights).
Outcome: Hero wins 10.20 BB.

slamhound

11-30-2007 04:57 AM

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Is 3-betting SCs the new big thing?

milesdyson

11-30-2007 04:59 AM

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yes have u not received the memo?

Absolute Poker $5/$10 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
Hand Converter Tool from DeucesCracked.com

Preflop: Hero is MP with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, CO calls, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG caps!, Hero calls, CO calls.

Flop: (13.60 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, CO bets, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.30 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, CO bets, UTG folds, Hero raises, CO calls.

River: (12.30 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls.

Final Pot: 14.30 BB

Results:
Hero shows 9d, Td (Straight, seven to jack).
CO mucks 4c, 4d.
Outcome: Hero wins 13.95 BB.

slamhound

11-30-2007 05:00 AM

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My brain broke a little.

Saikkonen

11-30-2007 06:02 AM

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It's awful tilting isn't it? Hopefully.

Oink	11-30-2007 06:26 AM

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[ QUOTE ]
CO is like 28/20/1.4 or so over about 500 hands.

$5/$10 Limit Hold'em - 4 players
Hand Converter Tool from DeucesCracked.com

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero raises, CO 3-bets, SB folds, BB folds, Hero caps!, CO calls.

Flop: (9.60 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls.

Turn: (5.80 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls.

River: (7.80 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]

wow, why?

Feel free to enlighten me cuz I dont get it.

mvoss

11-30-2007 07:26 AM

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Isn't this a standard bet/3-bet?

Wolfram

11-30-2007 07:26 AM

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If you go for the sexy you'll get a bet/call from Kx. You might get a little value from inducing too.

But you'll get checked behind by 2-pair, sets, 8x etc. And you won't have the opportunity to b/3b if he overplays a king.

Seems like loss of value to me.

TheHip41

11-30-2007 07:29 AM

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too fancy

Hobbs.

11-30-2007 08:19 AM

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not sexy

Adam Stewart

11-30-2007 10:14 AM

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On the turn, villain most likely has you beat - especially considering his range of hands. He's probably caught a piece of the board with a Queen, or a Ten, or maybe has a pocket pair.

That said, you have a strong draw (nut flush, nut gutshot, overcards)

As indicated above, villain likely has some sort of a hand, so you have very little bluff equity here.

Accordingly, you should check the turn.

If villain then checks through --> Great, free card.

If villain bets the turn --> you're getting neary 7:1 money with your strong draw, so it's an easy call.

From there, check/fold the river unimproved.

However, since you improved on the river to the straight... I don't any need to get fancy. The board would be pretty scarey for a paired queen or pocket pair, so if you check it'll probably just get checked through behind you.

Value bet the river and expect a call.

Adam

Wolfram

11-30-2007 10:25 AM

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Sex·y·i·tis
–noun Pathology.

A compulsive need to crush souls rather than win money.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipZDG6__Zfc

KitCloudkicker

11-30-2007 10:36 AM

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miles you know if any noob suggested taking this line you'd rip him a new one.

acehole60

11-30-2007 10:41 AM

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b/3b eod.

ILOVEPOKER929

11-30-2007 01:12 PM

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Miles, just to make sure you werent on to something here I did some math, put villain on a range and made some assumptions that was probably biased towards a check/raise strategy and Bet/3bet still came out ahead.

The only way I can see C/R being better than B/3bet here is if we make the assumption that the villain will just call the river some percentage close to 100% with the 8 combos of KQ(only 8 cuz K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] would raise turn) and the 2 combos of KTs. When I did the math I assumed villain would raise the river 100% of the time with KQ/KT.

In constructing my ranges I also assumed this was a CO vs BTN situation since it was 4 handed.

FlopYouDead

11-30-2007 02:29 PM

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In the ak hand, I guess you put him on 77/88 with a heart (done with hand), AJ (maybe a crying call), KTs (bets it), or JJ (bets it). I don't see him having KQ/J here. Dunno if AT can still be there.

All in all I think you're chances of getting 2 with the cr are at least as good as getting 1 with a lead so I say nh sir.

milesdyson

11-30-2007 03:25 PM

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i didn't play this hand. i am the cutoff.

i had KQ, i got checkraised, nearly timed out, said "aghaghahawrrrrrrrrr AhKh" and called. i said something about how it was a good thing i had KQ and he (she?) wanted me to post the hand. i don't know who this is here or if he even posts. i obv agree with everyone in this thread

Tryptamean

11-30-2007 03:34 PM

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hey miles just curious, whats your line with KQ as CO if you are bet into on the river? r/c? r/f? just call??

milesdyson

11-30-2007 03:48 PM

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here's the hand from my P.O.V. against this player i might just call river.

and yeah he didn't even have the Ace of Heart i just edited my cards (that's why the original post is wrong saying hero is co).

Absolute Poker $5/$10 Limit Hold'em - 4 players
Hand Converter Tool from DeucesCracked.com

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
CO raises, Hero 3-bets, SB folds, BB folds, CO caps!, Hero calls.

Flop: (9.60 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.80 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO bets, Hero calls.

River: (7.80 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets, CO raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.80 BB

Results:
Hero mucks Ks, Qh.
CO shows Kd, As (Straight, ten to ace).
Outcome: CO wins 11.60 BB.

MacGuyV

11-30-2007 05:09 PM

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Nobody plays wa/wb w/ TP anymore; this hand is obv. made up.

milesdyson

11-30-2007 05:50 PM

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i know lol so sweet haha gargantuan

waffle

12-02-2007 01:09 AM

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Miles, what I am about to say is heretical. Or maybe I just love being dramatical, lolz. 
I assert the best way to analyze this hand is to *read your own hand* after you cap PF, bet the flop and the turn and check the river.

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