5/10- stupid thin value against aejones
 

Villian in this hand is aejones. He opens a huge percentage of his buttons when its folded to him, so playing against him out of the blinds reminds me of playing someone heads-up. I took a very non standard line against him here on both the flop and the river. What do you guys think, given that against him i was never folding the river for 100BB:
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

SB ($1005)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($4201.25)</font>
UTG ($1086)
MP ($1045)
CO ($3549)
<font color="#C00000">Button ($978)</font>

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $30</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $20.

Flop: ($65) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $50</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $135</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $250</font>, Hero calls $115.

Turn: ($565) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($565) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3921.25 (All-In)</font>

Re: 5/10- stupid thin value against aejones
 

what were you doing on a blank turn? if the answer was get it in I'd just jam flop. River as played I'd just value bet regularly but I don't overbet shove ever.

Re: 5/10- stupid thin value against aejones
 

I don't think it's thin, but I'd rather bet like $400ish unless he has seen you overbet shove here as a bluff before. I also think checking the river is a viable option giving how this hand played out. Given you didn't shove the flop he likely isn't putting you on a big draw, and unless he has reason to believe you would turn a weak made hand into a bluff here, his value betting range could be wider than his calling range here.

Re: 5/10- stupid thin value against aejones
 

I don't think the river is thin one bit. Infact I think the best way to extract from him is to let him bet the river for you. He should quite often given the fact that there are now 2 overcards to the original TP which should usually scare the crap out of you.

Re: 5/10- stupid thin value against aejones
 

This is not stupid or thin but completely 100% standard? You afraid of... AJ?

Re: 5/10- stupid thin value against aejones
 

I would check the river because it looks like he missed/has air. Dunno what you expect him to call with here.

Re: 5/10- stupid thin value against aejones
 

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I would check the river because it looks like he missed/has air. Dunno what you expect him to call with here.

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haven't you been reading the monthly thread?!

Re: 5/10- stupid thin value against aejones
 

this is about as thin as gavin smith

Re: 5/10- stupid thin value against aejones
 

Grunch.

I would repop preflop, since he is opening such a wide range. Given how you got there, I like the flop check. I wouldn't c/r the flop, just calling seems fine. That said, your c/r doesn't look terrible. I like your turn check. I would check the river to give him rope to hang himself.

I guess the common theme in my suggestions is that I would definitely play this hand more passively against such an aggro player, who could very well be pumping it with air.

Edit: Ugh to be honest I really hate the river, why are you overbet shoving?? You're more likely to get value by letting him stab at it (partially since he will think the board scares you).

Disclaimer: I only play this high live.

Re: 5/10- stupid thin value against aejones
 

I agree with jinx I just vbet regularly

Re: 5/10- stupid thin value against aejones
 

this hand tilts me

Re: 5/10- stupid thin value against aejones
 

i think i would check it to him on the river but could be sold otherwise

Re: 5/10- stupid thin value against aejones
 

check/call seems waaay better than betting

Re: 5/10- stupid thin value against aejones
 

std would be to check, i'd imagine ae's range is usually pretty weak here so let him bluff, and he won't call with much worse, in other words usually a players betting range &gt; calling range here. However, because he prob knows you should check here betting like 400 could be very good, and could get looked up ridiculously light. Shoving is probably pretty bad though as it looks really unnecessary spot, and doesn't rep a bluff too well. I've never played against/seen either of you play so i could be way off.

However, the board didn't run out too well for you to bet.

Re: 5/10- stupid thin value against aejones
 

sexy?

Re: 5/10- stupid thin value against aejones
 

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this hand tilts me

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it tilts you because you called with A3o?

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this hand tilts me

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it tilts you because you called with A3o?

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the whole hand tilts me, the way you played more than the way i played it, but nevertheless, the way it was played tilts me in a tilting fashion

Re: 5/10- stupid thin value against aejones
 

Do those who advocate checking this river want to c/c or c/r this river for value? I initially thought c/c, but it seems very unlikely we are beat given the turn action.

Re: 5/10- stupid thin value against aejones
 

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i think i would check it to him on the river but could be sold otherwise

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this completely depends on whether he would shove the turn with Ax or check to induce bluffs, since if he has Jx here i think he is definitely calling some % of the time and betting 0%.

Re: 5/10- stupid thin value against aejones
 

I don't see what you want him to call with?? QJ? Axss?
IMO you almost only get called by a better hand and I guess that's why he called (thinking you couldn't be betting this type of hand there) you so light with A3