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wodka 10-17-2007 01:31 PM

Misplayed QQ
 
I think i really messed up this hand. What do you think? I have Villain running at 36/24/2 in 100 hands. I hate beeing out of position in this hand ... c/f turn?

Party Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (BB): $69.21
UTG: $35.31
MP: $49.77
CO: $146.86
BTN: $41.60
SB: $58

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
2 folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $1.75</font>, BTN calls $1.75, SB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $12</font>, CO calls $10.25, BTN folds

Flop: ($26) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $18</font>, CO calls $18

Turn: ($62) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $39.21 and is All-In</font>

MaltbyStu 10-17-2007 01:38 PM

Re: Misplayed QQ
 
That's obv a nasty turn card but against a 36/24 it's difficult to get away from.
I think potting the flop against this guy is a good move. That makes the turn uber easy to play if called.

Nogatsira 10-17-2007 01:41 PM

Re: Misplayed QQ
 
And you put him exactly on JJ or AcKc or what?
Got some monsters under your bed, hand is played fine imo

Spurious 10-17-2007 01:42 PM

Re: Misplayed QQ
 
c/f turn is not an option imo, you got a redraw

i think you played the hand fine, he could have AJ with A clubs and stuff.

rwejr 10-17-2007 01:42 PM

Re: Misplayed QQ
 
This is a tough spot. That was a huge raise pf. Why go to 12? I think on the turn you might have to get it in simply because there is so much money in the pot already. Your oop already.

1. raise less pf - this way you have money behind you so you know where you stand. As you have it, your standard continuation leaves you with half of what you started with.

You're unable to get any feel for how much strength this guy has based on his numbers, although it does look like a fair amount of the time he is seeing the turn.
Maybe C/R flop is better? It really depends on how strong you think he is.
What's his range?
med pp+, AJ, AK, MAYBE AQ.

I think the way you played it preflop leaves you with very little choices post flop, and the way the board came, you did played exactly how you forced yourself to play.

Logun 10-17-2007 01:43 PM

Re: Misplayed QQ
 
just bet a little bit more on the flop. Like 20$

other than that this is fine.

RedSoxFan 10-17-2007 01:44 PM

Re: Misplayed QQ
 
Being OOP sucks and being short stacked relative to CO sucks

I think CO 4bets with KK+ (unless you've seen him slow play this).

Flop cbet is fine but I think I push here- sure it's a huge overbet but what's left behind for turn bet is 2/3 of pot and isn't going to push him off drawing hands. Also- if he raises flop- you are pot commited and have to call so just push it early. If he hit a set- reload.

Nogatsira 10-17-2007 01:44 PM

Re: Misplayed QQ
 
Oh indeed didnt notice preflop action. Chill down on your reraise sizes, might aswell type in that you got a big pair.
Because of your oversized reraise preflop the hand played itself like you did. Bet pot, shove turn. You got no more money left..

Spurious 10-17-2007 01:50 PM

Re: Misplayed QQ
 
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Oh indeed didnt notice preflop action. Chill down on your reraise sizes, might aswell type in that you got a big pair.
Because of your oversized reraise preflop the hand played itself like you did. Bet pot, shove turn. You got no more money left..

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This is a tough spot. That was a huge raise pf. Why go to 12?

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villain is obv extremely loose and will call those huge raises. I do it against those type of opponent (if i know he'll call).


i think the hand was played fine.

wodka 10-17-2007 01:51 PM

Re: Misplayed QQ
 
i actually could not put him on a hand ... but there are not so many hands that he would call my preflop raise and the flop bet and that im ahead of on the turn. The flush got there ... JJ would make a set ... slowplayed KK or AA im behind as well.


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