200 NL tough river decision against weird player
 

Some background on this guy. First, he's pretty terrible and overplays the hell out of medium strength hands. He's not completely stupid and I believe he is also capable of shoving with the goods along with his habit of overplaying top pair.

One recent hand stands out where he massively overplayed a hand and runner runnered me.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($302.25)
SB ($198)
BB ($220.60)
UTG ($392.10)
Hero ($199)
CO ($199)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $8, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $6.

Flop: ($25) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $52</font>, Hero calls $52, Button folds.

Turn: ($137) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $160.6 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls $139 (All-In).

River: ($415) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $415

He had QTo here and backdoored the straight. He also has shoved on me a few other times in small pots and I've folded. Aside from that he runs at 28/13/1 with a 37.5 WTSD

Now the hand in question:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($309.20)
MP ($499.55)
Hero ($244)
Button ($390.75)
SB ($37)
BB ($125.05)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. MP posts a blind of $3.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP (poster) checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $10</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP calls $8.

Flop: ($24) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $16</font>, MP calls $16.

Turn: ($56) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $42</font>, MP calls $42.

River: ($140) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets $430.55 (All-In)</font>, Hero ???


I have about $170 left on the river so his bet is a slight overbet for me to call. Based on previous history I think he would've shoved earlier in the hand with two pair or a set. This makes his likely holdings either a Flush, Trips, or possibly even air representing a flush. Whatever the case he is a weird player and shoves a lot in smallish pots which is obviously an enormous leak.

Re: 200 NL tough river decision against weird player
 

snapfold? i mean everything that was chasing got there, and he doesnt seem to be the type to slowplay his "made" hands like that on earlier streets.

Re: 200 NL tough river decision against weird player
 

could easily be an A, i'd call given reads

Re: 200 NL tough river decision against weird player
 

can we talk about hand 1? cuz you played that one terribly...

Re: 200 NL tough river decision against weird player
 

unfortunately this is player dependent, but most often, a fold.

Re: 200 NL tough river decision against weird player
 

Hand one is not how I would usually play it. The player on the button in hand one simply could not check. Every time someone checked to him he had to throw out some sort of bet. And well, you've seen how the villain from hand 2 plays so I wanted to give him a chance to do something stupid which as you can see he did. Obviously my standard is to bet the flop in hand one but I didn't give specifics because I was happy with how I played that one given my reads.

Re: 200 NL tough river decision against weird player
 

fold usually

Re: 200 NL tough river decision against weird player
 

bump

Re: 200 NL tough river decision against weird player
 

i think river is a pretty standard fold...you basically have to put him on playing trips like an assclown to call

Re: 200 NL tough river decision against weird player
 

the guy shoves a lot in smallish pots. I can't believe people are folding this.