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Kraada 01-26-2007 03:22 AM

AJo facing PF reraise late in a tourney
 
The following occurred late in one of FT's Daily Doubles. At this point there were two tables (18) remaining, at the start of the hand in question I was 9th in total chips. Most of the prize money is, of course, for those who finish in the top few spots and not much changes for a little.

I had just gotten moved to this table when the last table broke up. As such, I had no read on Villian in this hand at all.

What do you guys think?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t2500/t5000
(Ante: t600)
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t242950
UTG+1: t38326
MP1: t65364
Hero: t102234
MP3: t267404
CO: t66640
Button: t161715
SB: t191344
BB: t142266

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to t22900</font>, MP3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises all-in t66040</font>, 3 folds, Hero ????

timex 01-26-2007 03:32 AM

Re: AJo facing PF reraise late in a tourney
 
Raise less preflop, to like 15k ish, call the shove as played.

Kraada 01-26-2007 03:36 AM

Re: AJo facing PF reraise late in a tourney
 
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Raise less preflop, to like 15k ish, call the shove as played.

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If I raise to 15k and he shoves then, do I give it up?

01-26-2007 03:39 AM

Re: AJo facing PF reraise late in a tourney
 
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Raise less preflop, to like 15k ish, call the shove as played.

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If I raise to 15k and he shoves then, do I give it up?

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no. youre getting like 2:1

raju 01-26-2007 06:37 AM

Re: AJo facing PF reraise late in a tourney
 
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Raise less preflop, to like 15k ish, call the shove as played.

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Are you advising to raise less preflop so we can fold to this shove?

If so, We must be thinking we`re behind any shove so why are we calling with only an extra 7900 in?

Looshius 01-26-2007 07:00 AM

Re: AJo facing PF reraise late in a tourney
 
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Raise less preflop, to like 15k ish, call the shove as played.

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Are you advising to raise less preflop so we can fold to this shove?

If so, We must be thinking we`re behind any shove so why are we calling with only an extra 7900 in?

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I would also advise to raise less preflop. I am a huge fan of the 3x raise when the blinds have reached these levels. Not so that you can fold to a shortstacks push, but so that you can fold to a resteal from somebody who can significantly damage your stack. Obviously if somebody with only 4x your raise pushes you call instantly, but what if somebody who has you covered 4 bets you preflop? A lot easier to get away the less you invest, plus the extra 8k does not really increase fold equity, but greatly helps with pot control.

raju 01-26-2007 07:19 AM

Re: AJo facing PF reraise late in a tourney
 
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...so that you can fold to a resteal from somebody who can significantly damage your stack.

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This is key for me.

This short stack can still significantly damage our stack.
And we only got AJ

I appreciate the money we`re getting is good but its only AJ.
for 2/3 our stack.

For the record i would call too as played. And one reason for that is, If i fold here after putting that much in im getting pushed around for the rest of the tournement.

gobboboy 01-26-2007 08:06 AM

Re: AJo facing PF reraise late in a tourney
 
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...so that you can fold to a resteal from somebody who can significantly damage your stack.

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This is key for me.

This short stack can still significantly damage our stack.
And we only got AJ

I appreciate the money we`re getting is good but its only AJ.
for 2/3 our stack.

For the record i would call too as played. And one reason for that is, If i fold here after putting that much in im getting pushed around for the rest of the tournement.

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"Only" AJ isn't really an issue here. If the hand has good equity against his range, it doesn't matter how [censored] our hand is. As played, AJ is a monster against his range since most people overplay small pairs and if you're flipping you have a gigantic overlay.

As for getting pushed around if you fold here, that's not very true at all, because maybe only 5% of players (or less at this limit) actually have the capability to spot overally weakness in a player like that. They pretty much only play their cards unless you have been REALLY active.

As played, pretty easy call. But I'm with timex, your opening raise should only be to 15k. If he pushes then and you're getting about 2:1 it's still a call, and with the huge blinds/antes it's probably close. If you're folding to a push here you probably should just be folding it preflop.


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