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kolotoure 09-20-2007 12:42 PM

I play so so weakly
 
Villain is 25/5, feel free to rip my line to bits

Party Poker
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$0.25/$0.50 Blinds
5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $60.35
BB: $49.56
UTG: $142.59
CO: $75.29
Kolo (BTN): $49.25

Preflop: Kolo is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Khttp://legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif (5 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">Kolo raises to $2.00</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $7.00</font>, BB folds, Kolo calls $5.00

Flop: ($14.50) Qhttp://legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif Khttp://legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Kolo bets $8.00</font>, SB calls $8.00

Turn: ($30.50) 8http://legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif (2 Players)
SB checks, Kolo checks

River: ($30.50) 9http://legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $27.00</font>, Kolo folds

Pot Size: $57.50

Spurious 09-20-2007 12:48 PM

Re: I play so so weakly
 
bet more on the flop.
bet that turn and fold to raise.
I doubt he got a Flush, maybe a set but wouldnt he bet on the flop?
as played, the river is ugly, he tests you.
I guess the fold is ok.

markuisis 09-20-2007 12:48 PM

Re: I play so so weakly
 
I think ur right to fold this, queens, kings, aces all beat you, as does a flush obviously, the only hand which u beat if u assume he is a standard tag is AQ and tying AK but i doubt he would bet this much on the river on a board like this - a bigger flop bet would have been more helpful but to me it feels like he slowplayed a set of queens, kings or aces, was worried of the flush and then figured u didnt have it so value bet the river

ama0330 09-20-2007 12:48 PM

Re: I play so so weakly
 
Well if you wanna just call preflop then I dont see what value you are getting from betting the flop. By calling preflop you are saying "gee im behind" which means you put villain on JJ+,AK, so what hand from that range are you getting value from with your flop bet? JJ wont call, and everything else has you beat (or chops) so youre turning your hand into a bluff. So for that reason, with your preflop action, you should check the flop behind and try and get to SD.

I dont really mind preflop too much against this really tight dude but as I say, if you flat call preflop, you've misplayed the flop. Dirty flop for you tho.

KCrow 09-20-2007 12:50 PM

Re: I play so so weakly
 
I think you have to call the river. You certainly shouldn't be too worried about the flush draw. I think if the villain had a set they'd have bet it out or CR'd the flop. What's they're aggression like?

Didn't see his low pf raise, I'd b/f the turn. Not too sure about the river call now.

Smilin' 09-20-2007 12:52 PM

Re: I play so so weakly
 
Are stats over a reliable sample size? If so, I think we can put Villain on a pretty tight range (and we probably should do that vs. unknown too). I'm not too concerned about the flush--more concerned about AA/KK/QQ. (AK [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and AQ [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] are both impossible. AJ [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] is possible, but isn't super likely in a tight 3betting range.) AA and KK are rather unlikely, given that two A's and two K's are accounted for. QQ seems plausible, but many Villains would have wanted to protect against a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]/a J/a T at some point before the river.

IMO, you're splitting with AK, beating AQ, or beating a bluff-happy JJ/TT often enough on the river to call. You only need to be good 1 in 3 times to make a call +EV.

Fetzi 09-20-2007 01:09 PM

Re: I play so so weakly
 
As played i would definitly call the river. Your turn check shows so much weakness.

Waingro 09-20-2007 01:18 PM

Re: I play so so weakly
 
I think you could have folded a lot earlier, like pf. What range do you think he rr with, KK+? Or QQ and AK when he is feeling frisky? Or a lot of dominated hands? The river is super easy fold, I am surprised you even thought twice about it.

Spurious 09-20-2007 01:20 PM

Re: I play so so weakly
 
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I think you could have folded a lot earlier, like pf. What range do you think he rr with, KK+? Or QQ and AK when he is feeling frisky? Or a lot of dominated hands? The river is super easy fold, I am surprised you even thought twice about it.

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folding pf is uber weak, AK is a really strong hand...

TheRenaissance 09-20-2007 01:35 PM

Re: I play so so weakly
 
This guy flopped a set, no doubt about it.


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