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He has to play the chips that were on the table when the hand started.

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Yes, which is why the dealer is unacceptably negligent here.

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Little harsh on the dealer aren't we?

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I didn't mean for it to be harsh, just straightforward. I just meant that the dealer should be on top of this. There are worse things dealers can do, but it's important to keep the cash on the table. I don't think the dealer should be fired or anything.

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How many chips does he then put back into play though? All the chips in his pocket, including any that were already there? As many chips as he feels like taking back out? If he's got the nuts and the guy pushes does he get to take out that extra $200 he has in there to win more money? If the guy raises and he's got a mediocre hand does he only pull out half of what he took off?


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If hes putting the money in his pocket and not using a rack hes probably not holding that much. I'm sure the players at the table could put him within $20 of what he took off. If not go to the cameras. (casinos do have a couple of those around)

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How many chips does he then put back into play though? All the chips in his pocket, including any that were already there? As many chips as he feels like taking back out? If he's got the nuts and the guy pushes does he get to take out that extra $200 he has in there to win more money? If the guy raises and he's got a mediocre hand does he only pull out half of what he took off?


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If hes putting the money in his pocket and not using a rack hes probably not holding that much. I'm sure the players at the table could put him within $20 of what he took off. If not go to the cameras. (casinos do have a couple of those around)

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That's true if he's using all $1 or $5 chips. I've seen plenty of 1/2 games using $25 and $100 chips in play which makes it a lot harder. And yes you can go to cameras, have you been on a table where they have to go to cameras for something? You might as well go home cuz the game is gonna be stopped for a LONG time. And the time to determine how much money he has in play is BEFORE the other player potentially raises, not after he's pushed then play "guess the amount" on how much the other player took off the table. The problem isn't so much this one time, the problem is that by letting this happen the dealer is setting a precedent that it's ok, which it's not. I have less problem with him doing it than I do with the fact that the dealer just ignores it. It just shows that the dealer either doesn't know or doesn't care about enforcing some basic rules.

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the guy could of realised that it was likely his opponent pocketing his remaining chips meant that he was not going to commit anymore... in other words , "IM ALLIN!"
fold equity ftw

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The dealer is definitely negligent here because the dealer has just made it impossible to know how much the guy actually has, it's just turned into a guessing game. Allowing a player to rathole in the middle of the hand? Yeah, I'd say that qualifies as negligent if the dealer saw it happen.


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What would you like for the dealer to do? He saw it happen as it was happening. I am certain if he knew it was about to happen he would have told the guy not to do it.

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All dealers are supposed to be endowed with godlike powers that allow them to make everyone else behave perfectly but not interfere with YOUR play.

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this thread makes me wonder how much time these posters have spent playing live in a casino. It is not uncommon for someone to begin racking up or putting chips in their pocket prior to leaving. I am reasonably certain if the outcome had been different, like a reraise, then the dealer would have stepped in and either made it right or called the floor depending upon the situation.

You want the game to keep moving so a dealer shouldn't jump in at every little infraction or the game will degenerate in to a NITfest and kill the action.

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you are right that it isnt common for a player to rack up their chips, but putting their chips in their pockets while in a big hand isn't something I understand to be common. This is clearly not allowed and I feel the dealer has the right AND the duty to say something about it. I don't know where this whole "dealers shouldn't say a word about anything" thing is coming from, but I believe that part of their job is to make sure there is no cheating. This type of action is very suspicious and falls under the realm of things that should be reprimanded. Its fine if they don't say much at a 50/100 game or something, those people should know better and likely would be caught by everyone at the table if they tried to do something like that, but at a 1/2 game where half the people are noobs and dont know the rules, this thing needs to be addressed.
However, this is just my opinion, perhaps I'm missing some key aspect of the discussion.

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I play in a casino on a fairly frequent basis which is why I'm amazed that the dealer didn't at least say something. It's definitely not uncommon for people to rack up for their last hand but they don't shove chips in their pockets. It's also not uncommon for a good dealer to immediately inform the offender that their chips must stay on the table until they are done playing. So now we're saying dealers shouldn't jump in at EVERY little infraction? So we're gonna let dealers pick and choose which rules to enforce and which to let go? That's actually probably my biggest problem with the entire hand, that the dealer either doesn't know or doesn't care that a rule is being broken.

I have no doubt that in this particular case it probably ends up being not that big of a deal either way. Especially if the player in the hand doesn't say anything. I'd actually prefer that the dealer didn't know the rule than thinking the dealer has decided to pick and choose what rules count and what don't.

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Bet your sweet ass that if I'm in the pot with the villian, the second he goes to put his chips away, I'm jumping up. Furthermore, I'm going to know how much he has on the table in front of him before his action, too.

You can't always put it on the dealer, because some of them are morons, too.

It depends on who you are, and what you plan on doing. If you are going to fold anyway, stop bitching and holding the game up. If you know you plan on playing the hand out, the second someone tries to interfere with that through ANY method, I am stopping them.

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Clearly not many people posting in this thread have been to Caesar's in AC. Worst dealers and floor in the state.