NL25 Queens on low board
 

Standard? Button is 18/10/3.2

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP3 ($35.25)
CO ($18.80)
Button ($28.15)
SB ($10.35)
BB ($4.50)
UTG ($4.25)
UTG+1 ($9.75)
Hero ($59.45)
MP2 ($20.55)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.85</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls $0.85, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($2.05) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.75</font>, Button calls $1.75.

Turn: ($5.55) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $5</font>, Button calls $5.

River: ($15.55) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $51.85 (All-In)</font> (Button has $20.55 left)

Re: NL25 Queens on low board
 

Post in Full Ring next time. I check/call river or sometimes CRAI on river. Villain obv likes his hand here and there's a much wider range of hands he'll bet with on the river that we beat than hands he'll call a shove on the river with.

Re: NL25 Queens on low board
 

I play it exactly the same. Might just go for 1/2 pot on the river without a pretty good read he was a station, but meh I still like it. NH

Re: NL25 Queens on low board
 

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Post in Full Ring next time. I check/call river or sometimes CRAI on river. Villain obv likes his hand here and there's a much wider range of hands he'll bet with on the river that we beat than hands he'll call a shove on the river with.

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I don't agree. I think the villain is pretty desperate to see a showdown with 77-99, possibly lower pairs, JT-AT etc.. doesn't look to me like he has us beat at all, and he would almost certainly check behind.

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Post in Full Ring next time. I check/call river or sometimes CRAI on river. Villain obv likes his hand here and there's a much wider range of hands he'll bet with on the river that we beat than hands he'll call a shove on the river with.

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I don't agree. I think the villain is pretty desperate to see a showdown with 77-99, possibly lower pairs, JT-AT etc.. doesn't look to me like he has us beat at all, and he would almost certainly check behind.

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with an AF of 3.2 I am sure we will get raised on the flop if he holds 77-99 since there would be a lot of scare cards to him.

Re: NL25 Queens on low board
 

It looks kind of fishy to me. A 3.2 aggression factor is pretty high.

I would C/C the river. He could bluff with KJ or something but I don't think he is calling a shove with a hand we can beat.

Re: NL25 Queens on low board
 

I think we need to bet at least something for value on this river. There aren't that many draws out - 76 is the only one, (and I'm not sure that calls a PSB on the turn), and that will often give up on the river anyway. His hand looks more like a middle pair to me. The question is, what's the most +EV bet size on the river for me? Also can we ever fold if we bet half-pot on the river and get raised? Does being able to fold the times we're beat add to our EV?

Re: NL25 Queens on low board
 

River bet is very very bad IMO. Nothing you beat calls your bet if villian has 1/2 a brain, which it looks like he does.

Bet 1/2 pot and let him pay you off with JJ/99

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River bet is very very bad IMO. Nothing you beat calls your bet if villian has 1/2 a brain, which it looks like he does.

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Ive seen AK played like this enough to make that call, depending on stats/reads. His shove looks desperate enough to induce 66-99 to call.

And villain does not hold JJ lol