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Popeye 10-23-2007 05:51 PM

why can\'t i win no more at 5CD
 
is ONGAME really rigged?
i cannot win anymore, last weeks i only have breakeven or losing days, and sometimes a small win.
its driving me !@#!#$$@#%#$%#$

Al Mirpuri 10-23-2007 07:52 PM

Re: why can\'t i win no more at 5CD
 
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is ONGAME really rigged?
i cannot win anymore, last weeks i only have breakeven or losing days, and sometimes a small win.
its driving me !@#!#$$@#%#$%#$

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Why is it no one ever asks if poker is rigged when they are winning? It is probably just variance or that the game has got tougher. The second thought is well worth evaluating.

AceOfClubs 10-24-2007 05:28 AM

Re: why can\'t i win no more at 5CD
 
[ QUOTE ]
is ONGAME really rigged?
i cannot win anymore, last weeks i only have breakeven or losing days, and sometimes a small win.
its driving me !@#!#$$@#%#$%#$

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I also cann't win. So it's rigged for sure [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Idolatrous 10-24-2007 12:59 PM

Re: why can\'t i win no more at 5CD
 
You are probably trying to play against me. No wonder you can't win.

AceOfClubs 10-24-2007 04:03 PM

Re: why can\'t i win no more at 5CD
 
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You are probably trying to play against me. No wonder you can't win.

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Lol. I like modest people, like you [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] But in this case it's just about rigged Ongame [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Big Limpin 10-24-2007 08:46 PM

Re: why can\'t i win no more at 5CD
 
i disagree [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

i've been a PL fiend of late, but i still do drop into the limitcash tables now and then. I notice a change too, but it's not of the sort to determine if a game is beatable or not. The method of beating it has changed/

The formula that Weisenberg popularized is being played by so many people, that observant opponents can pretty much play against your hand face up.

I'll leave you to your own counter-punching methods. I've found mine; its been a banner week on ongame.. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Big Limpin 10-24-2007 09:03 PM

Re: why can\'t i win no more at 5CD
 
by the way, directed to the OP, ive had plenty of losing days, and sometimes they come back-to-back(!) i wonder if i suck then too.
believe me, we all have days where we play damn good, but its just written that you are gonna get coolered x2, x3, x999999145324 etc.

lets say, 5 days a week, my bear looks like in my avatar, (happy) and 2 days a week, he's like:

http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleim.../angrybear.jpg

you know, all angry and [censored]...

Popeye 10-25-2007 05:44 AM

Re: why can\'t i win no more at 5CD
 
lol, that bear could play in a horrormovie.
yeah i just had to blow of some steam, i don't think Ongame is rigged.
Now that i saw a big mouse or small rat or whatever it was in my new house yesterday, i have other things to worry about. I always said to women, what is scary about mouses, arenīt they actually kinda cute. But yesterday i jumped on my chair like a little schoolgirl. hahaha

andyblub 10-25-2007 09:41 AM

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I lost my $200 Buy-in at 5/10 FL 2 days ago (On-game, too). It never happed to me before. I was playing "well", and there was a terrible fish at the table. He reraised with shorts, bluffed at EVERY pot etc. He re-reraised with a pair of sixes (post draw) when others clearly had a made hand.

I lost my whole stack to this guy. He bought in for 350$, when I was broke he had about 100$. He lost 200$ he won off me plus 250$ of his buy-in he started with. I never felt more 'cheated' or some sort of 'this game is rigged' than when this true "idiot" drew out of me every single time, just to bluff/lose "my" money the very next hand to the other players at the table.

Idolatrous 10-25-2007 04:35 PM

Re: why can\'t i win no more at 5CD
 
Happens, when you put your money in ahead constantly only way to lose is being outdrawn. That's a simple fact, that's why bad players get lucky so often and good players don't. You can't get lucky if you aren't behind in the first place.

Although you can however still get unlucky, like never improving AA to aces up against their improved 66 to 6622. Or never making AAA against their draw to 222. But that's the game, and it's expected if you play.

I have -$3000 runs at Ongame once in awhile, but generally it's a steady uphill climb with some horrible days in the mix. You can't expect to win against every single idiot every single time. Sometimes the idiots are card racks for the time being, it might only be in hands against you, but it happens. The money will go to the community and come back to you eventually if you play well.

andyblub 10-25-2007 04:57 PM

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Yep, I know, it's the nature of the game. But it's also natural to still feel bamboozled [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

dpmaf 11-01-2007 10:43 PM

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I've abandoned almost completely FL games because it's hard to beat tards.

First of all, you just can't bluff them, because they solemnly believe that there is always someone bluffing.

Second, there is a lot of raising coming from drawing hands (including cat hops and inside straight draws). On the other way, a raiser will always be called by drawing hands (which may include 3 flushes), any pair and any two small pairs. And a lot of fundamentalists will call a cap with any of these. Moral of the story: since you can't put an idiot on a hand and you're usually against 3 or 4 in one single table, be prepared for the most kafkian beats, sometimes hand after hand.

Third, it's a simple mathematical fact that chances of winning decrease with the number of opponents entering the frey. And tards always enter it.

Fourth: saying that a good strategy will beat these games in the long run can be a pretty good illusion. These players lose a lot of money for obvious reasons. The problem is the more bad players you are up against, the more chances they will be exchanging the same pool of money and the less chances you will get your share.

That's why I've abandoned almost completely FL and play mostly PL. It's delicious to see some of those awful players entering PL thinking it works the same way and being cleaned out. You guys who are tired of suffering the most bizarre beats, should try PL sometimes just to get the feeling. It's a wonderful therapy.

List 11-01-2007 10:55 PM

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Second, there is a lot of raising coming from drawing hands (including cat hops and inside straight draws). On the other way, a raiser will always be called by drawing hands (which may include 3 flushes), any pair and any two small pairs. And a lot of fundamentalists will call a cap with any of these. Moral of the story: since you can't put an idiot on a hand and you're usually against 3 or 4 in one single table, be prepared for the most kafkian beats, sometimes hand after hand.


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I don't play much l5cd, but this is pretty silly. Most bad l5cd players aren't that aggressive, they open limp a lot of draws/pairs when they shouldn't. This is profitable. The wild players you describe are even more profitable, and you'll often find yourself in big, heads up pots with them as a big favorite pre draw. You just need to be patient.

In both pl5cd and l5cd, the games tend to be soft at any limit regularly played(up to 5/10 for l5cd, 2/4 or 3/6 for pl5cd). You can usually recognize very quickly when you're sitting at a tough table. If you can't beat these games for at least a small amount over the long run, you're doing something wrong.

BBQbowser 11-02-2007 05:44 PM

Re: why can\'t i win no more at 5CD
 
Wow, most of these posts sound PERFECT for the BBV/Whiners forum.

Biggle10 11-03-2007 11:17 AM

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I've abandoned almost completely FL games because it's hard to beat tards.

First of all, you just can't bluff them, because they solemnly believe that there is always someone bluffing.

Second, there is a lot of raising coming from drawing hands (including cat hops and inside straight draws). On the other way, a raiser will always be called by drawing hands (which may include 3 flushes), any pair and any two small pairs. And a lot of fundamentalists will call a cap with any of these. Moral of the story: since you can't put an idiot on a hand and you're usually against 3 or 4 in one single table, be prepared for the most kafkian beats, sometimes hand after hand.

Third, it's a simple mathematical fact that chances of winning decrease with the number of opponents entering the frey. And tards always enter it.

Fourth: saying that a good strategy will beat these games in the long run can be a pretty good illusion. These players lose a lot of money for obvious reasons. The problem is the more bad players you are up against, the more chances they will be exchanging the same pool of money and the less chances you will get your share.

That's why I've abandoned almost completely FL and play mostly PL. It's delicious to see some of those awful players entering PL thinking it works the same way and being cleaned out. You guys who are tired of suffering the most bizarre beats, should try PL sometimes just to get the feeling. It's a wonderful therapy.

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Idolatrous 11-03-2007 02:20 PM

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I would reply to this but it would give too much information and result in a loss of my profits off "tards", which I might add are where all my profits come from and that's a good deal of profits. GG.

Murakawa 11-03-2007 03:09 PM

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You guys stopped playing FL becase yo get 'outdrawn?". GOod, more moolah for me.


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