Top set vs poss. wrap vs poss. FD, 1/2 PLO
 

I apologize for the lack of a converter and proper hand history, but Cake Poker doesn't allow hand histories.

This is full ring PLO, with 8-9 people at the table.

Hero: SB with $200
Villain 1: BB with $100
Villain 2: UTG with $150

Hero dealt A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Three or four limpers, Hero pots out of the SB to $11
Villain 1 BB calls, Villain 2 UTG calls, rest fold.

Flop: A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Hero pots for $52
Villain 1 calls
Villain shoves for $150
Hero: ???

Reads on the two villains and myself: Villain 1 is a LAGtard and is really really bad. He's been lucky a few times but just generally throws money into the pot with anything and prays. Villain 2 is solid but still a bit LAG, the kind of LAG that knows when to be aggressive against passive opponents. Villain 2 had just hit a bad beat for $300 or so of his stack and might be fuming. I had been playing tight but went through a few recent hands getting check-raised when betting off with AAxx to a blank board, so I might look like an idiot.

As I ran through the possibilities of what they could have had, I pretty much just wrote off Villain 1 as he could have anything, such as QTxx, J9xx, etc and I couldn't predict for him.

The nature of villain 2, however, gave me a pause as he seems like a good player who wouldn't shove with a sub-prime hand. I put him on something like a high wrap or at the very least the NFD, I just know he's got something definitively solid.

Results in white:
<font color="white"> I was way too pot committed to fold and shoved, so did villain 1. Villain 1 had 7889, no FD (lol) and villain 2 had JJxx no FD, and I scooped. </font>

If I weren't so pot committed, at what point do you fold this, being $52 in the pot with 3 way action? Do I fold Villain 2 had repotted?

Re: Top set vs poss. wrap vs poss. FD, 1/2 PLO
 

<font color="green">Call. - Buzz</font>

Re: Top set vs poss. wrap vs poss. FD, 1/2 PLO
 

<font color="green">[no, no]</font> u have topset, its not like u can get freerolled.


worst case scenarios:

pokenum -o ac qc ah 7h - ks qs td 8d -- as js 9d
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing As Js 9d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ac Qc Ah 7h 371 45.24 443 54.02 6 0.73 0.456
Ks Qs Td 8d 443 54.02 371 45.24 6 0.73 0.544

pokenum -o ac qc ah 7h - qs ts 8d 7d -- as js 9d
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing As Js 9d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ac Qc Ah 7h 363 44.27 449 54.76 8 0.98 0.448
Qs Ts 8d 7d 449 54.76 363 44.27 8 0.98 0.552


u should call in the worst case scearios becuase there is already so much in the pot.

they could also be blocking each other and have lower sets or top2pair.

<font color="green">[no, no]</font>

Re: Top set vs poss. wrap vs poss. FD, 1/2 PLO
 

Whoa, relax kids. I wasn't ever going to fold in this situation. The question wasn't "was I right" but "at what point do I get worried."

If stacks were $1000, $300 and $1000 and I led out with $52 with a pot and repot I would hope you'd understand you'd be behind too. Top set vs wrap/fd is something like 40/30/30.

Re: Top set vs poss. wrap vs poss. FD, 1/2 PLO
 

Why would you, for any amount, not get your money in, in this spot?

Re: Top set vs poss. wrap vs poss. FD, 1/2 PLO
 

if i had $1 invested and had to call $100000 i would.

Re: Top set vs poss. wrap vs poss. FD, 1/2 PLO
 

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if i had $1 invested and had to call $100000 i would.

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As it happens that can be a leak.

Re: Top set vs poss. wrap vs poss. FD, 1/2 PLO
 

Yeah, it is a bit over the top, but realistically your are never going to be playing in a game deep enough where folding top set vs a draw is ever an option.