Razz - again weird with passive opponent
 

Villain is semi-regular. Kinda bad. Tight preflop, but is bad at folding 4ths and 5ths.

Razz ($3/$6), Ante $0,50, Bring-In $1 (converter)

3rd Street - (1.00 SB)

Seat 2: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 3: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___brings-in___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 6: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___completes___raises
Seat 7: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___raises___calls

4th Street - (7.33 SB)

Seat 6: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___checks
Hero: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___checks

5th Street - (3.67 BB)

Seat 6: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___checks
Hero: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks

6th Street - (3.67 BB)

Seat 6: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___checks
Hero: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks

River - (3.67 BB)

Seat 6: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] xx___checks___folds
Hero: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets

Total pot: (3.67 BB - $22)

Re: Razz - again weird with passive opponent
 

I hate the raise on 3rd. why?
#1)do you really think he is raising there with 9-5
#2)who are you trying to force out?

4th-played itself

5th- I bet regardless he doesn't know you pair...I know you said he is bad a folding but he's wont consider folding a K...and you have the better draw why not get some $ in here

6th- I would imagine the 3 paired him since he called w/ a K... but taking one here is ok

7th-ok

Re: Razz - again weird with passive opponent
 

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I hate the raise on 3rd. why?


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Do you hate money?

Sorry, the advice in your post is so misguided I think you should reread the hand or something. You must have misunderstood the action

Re: Razz - again weird with passive opponent
 

orrect me if I am wrong...you said villain is tight on 3rd...(no flop in stud games)...so the action went:

Q brings in

tight villain completes

you R w/ an 8-5 against an opponent you say plays tightly so it is highly unlikely he is completing w/ a worse hand...so you are putting money in behind and bloating the pot...which would make it ok for villain to peal 4th even if he caught bad bc the pot is rather large

Re: Razz - again weird with passive opponent
 

I didn't say "never steals"

Re: Razz - again weird with passive opponent
 

try to learn from others who are trying to help you improve your game = +EV

defend poor play bc obv you can do no wrong = -EV

your choice

Re: Razz - again weird with passive opponent
 

You are obviously wrong, and you're just being results-oriented because he 3-bet

Re: Razz - again weird with passive opponent
 

The raise on 3rd is standard, because villain is in steal position.

Bet 5th.

Re: Razz - again weird with passive opponent
 

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try to learn from others who are trying to help you improve your game = +EV

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and you are....?

Re: Razz - again weird with passive opponent
 

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I didn't say "never steals"

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Which brings to mind the question... How do you know whether he steals or not, and from which positions? Most steal attempts don't make it to showdown, and most stealers don't flash their hole cards when their steal is successful, so how do you know? The surest way to know that someone is stealing is when they have a high VP$IP on 3rd street but they fold 4th or 5th more than would be expected from a pure value player. You described Villain here in the exact opposite way.

Given your description of Villain, I'm also not a fan of the 3rd street raise. I don't put him on a steal. He's only in a stealing position if he would steal in that position; whether you would steal in that position is irrelevant.