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Lethe 11-26-2007 05:58 PM

Flopped Straight in SB
 
Villain plays a TAG style and is decent, although he does coldcall a bit too often and sometimes does silly things like play K4s in MP. We've played together before and he sees me as a solid TAG.

SB is 2/3, hence the preflop call.

2 limpers, I call 86o in SB, BB checks.

Flop: T97r

I bet, Villain calls, other limpers fold.

Turn: K

I bet, villain raises, I 3bet, villain caps.

Hero: a) folds, or b) calls, and c/c the river ?

BadBigBabar 11-26-2007 06:20 PM

Re: Flopped Straight in SB
 
lol cmon lethe
call and c/c the river

Lethe 11-26-2007 06:30 PM

Re: Flopped Straight in SB
 
OK, what hands is villain a) not raising preflop, b) peeling the flop with, and then c) capping the turn with that I beat?

jesse8888 11-26-2007 06:47 PM

Re: Flopped Straight in SB
 
77. He's slow-playing brilliantly. Seriously, you have to just call him down from here. If you can't call him down, then you should just call his first raise and lead the river.

Lethe 11-26-2007 07:42 PM

Re: Flopped Straight in SB
 
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77. He's slow-playing brilliantly. Seriously, you have to just call him down from here. If you can't call him down, then you should just call his first raise and lead the river.

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So you lead the river and he raises... are you folding now or still showing this down? I know the answer to this question is showdown, but that line just feels bad to me.

The only hands I can put villain on after he caps are J8, QJ, 86, and maybe 77 (although I doubt he slowplays a set here). I guess the question is whether or not we are good enough to call getting effectively 2/13 on a turn/river call.

jesse8888 11-26-2007 07:47 PM

Re: Flopped Straight in SB
 
Well, I wouldn't play the hand that way. I'd 3-bet, then call a 4-bet and check/call on the river. This puts 5 total bets in the pot. Just calling the raise and leading the river allows you to put only 4 bets into the pot, which seems like it might be a more reasonable number...the problem with that line is that you miss value when you're winning.

Edit: So yes, I'd bet/call the river.

Lethe 11-26-2007 08:00 PM

Re: Flopped Straight in SB
 
TBH, the hand didn't exactly go down like this. The true action was:

Turn: K
I bet, villain raises, I 3bet, villain calls.

River: 2

I bet, villain calls and shows J8.

In my head before I 3bet I was thinking that I would fold to a cap, but wasn't sure if that was right or not.

The thing is, villain never, ever has 2 pair here. He has a straight basically always, and every now and then has 77. Given that, I'm still not sure if calling the turn and river to a turn cap is correct.

Bob T. 11-26-2007 11:38 PM

Re: Flopped Straight in SB
 
Hmmm, either check/call, or bet/call.

Bob T. 11-26-2007 11:40 PM

Re: Flopped Straight in SB
 
I didn't see that he was the BB. In that case, I think I check/call the river.

Lethe 11-27-2007 01:00 AM

Re: Flopped Straight in SB
 
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I didn't see that he was the BB. In that case, I think I check/call the river.

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Er... what is this in response to? I'm assuming you mean to call a 4bet on the turn and then c/c the river?


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