I\'m not known for making big folds...
 

Villain is semiloose, not too aggressive but not a nit or a rock by any means. Pretty much your standard fullring breakeven player. Original raiser I don't know much about, but since he was telegraphing huge pair I was giving him some rope with the almost-minraise. I'd rather not hear about that part of the hand, unless you think it really matters a lot.

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Bodog History for Hand #748399682
Hold'em No Limit ($10.00/$20.00) - 2007-06-06 19:06:39
Table 'Conseco Fieldhouse' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Kwickfish ($1759.00)
Seat 2: Wild Duck ($4493.00)
Seat 3: Reinhart ($1460.28)
Seat 4: TexasJeff ($2164.00)
Seat 5: KiepDoDen06 ($1712.00)
Seat 6: Jynnan_Tonnyx ($2088.00)
Seat 7: DJ Sensei ($5200.00)
Seat 8: coolnbest ($3185.00)
Seat 9: pungy ($3326.00)
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NEW HAND
TexasJeff: posts the small blind $10.00
KiepDoDen06: posts the big blind $20.00
--- DEALING POCKETS
DJ Sensei is dealt [5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img],5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]]
Jynnan_Tonnyx: folds
DJ Sensei: calls $20.00
coolnbest: folds
pungy: calls $20.00
Kwickfish: folds
Wild Duck: folds
Reinhart: folds
TexasJeff: calls $10.00
KiepDoDen06: raises $80.00 to $100.00
DJ Sensei: calls $80.00
pungy: calls $80.00
TexasJeff: folds
--- DEALING FLOP [5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img],7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img],9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]
KiepDoDen06: bets $250.00
DJ Sensei: raises $300.00 to $550.00
pungy: calls $550.00
KiepDoDen06: folds
--- DEALING TURN [9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
DJ Sensei: checks
pungy: checks
--- DEALING RIVER [T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
DJ Sensei: checks
pungy: bets $1,580.00 (pot)
DJ Sensei: ?

call or fold (or shove?)

would anybody play the rest of the hand differently?

Re: I\'m not known for making big folds...
 

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Villain is semiloose, not too aggressive but not a nit or a rock by any means. Pretty much your standard fullring breakeven player. Original raiser I don't know much about, but since he was telegraphing huge pair I was giving him some rope with the almost-minraise. I'd rather not hear about that part of the hand, unless you think it really matters a lot.

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Bodog History for Hand #748399682
Hold'em No Limit ($10.00/$20.00) - 2007-06-06 19:06:39
Table 'Conseco Fieldhouse' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Kwickfish ($1759.00)
Seat 2: Wild Duck ($4493.00)
Seat 3: Reinhart ($1460.28)
Seat 4: TexasJeff ($2164.00)
Seat 5: KiepDoDen06 ($1712.00)
Seat 6: Jynnan_Tonnyx ($2088.00)
Seat 7: DJ Sensei ($5200.00)
Seat 8: coolnbest ($3185.00)
Seat 9: pungy ($3326.00)
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NEW HAND
TexasJeff: posts the small blind $10.00
KiepDoDen06: posts the big blind $20.00
--- DEALING POCKETS
DJ Sensei is dealt [5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img],5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]]
Jynnan_Tonnyx: folds
DJ Sensei: calls $20.00
coolnbest: folds
pungy: calls $20.00
Kwickfish: folds
Wild Duck: folds
Reinhart: folds
TexasJeff: calls $10.00
KiepDoDen06: raises $80.00 to $100.00
DJ Sensei: calls $80.00
pungy: calls $80.00
TexasJeff: folds
--- DEALING FLOP [5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img],7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img],9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]
KiepDoDen06: bets $250.00
DJ Sensei: raises $300.00 to $550.00
pungy: calls $550.00
KiepDoDen06: folds
--- DEALING TURN [9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
DJ Sensei: checks
pungy: checks
--- DEALING RIVER [T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
DJ Sensei: checks
pungy: bets $1,580.00 (pot)
DJ Sensei: ?

call or fold (or shove?)

would anybody play the rest of the hand differently?

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gotta call

i like the turn check tho, his flop call is mad scary. I think you are good like 2/3 time here on the river, but decent enough chance he will muck a str8/naked trips if you c/r that you're a dog to his calling range

Re: I\'m not known for making big folds...
 

im comfortably putting him on Ad9d or complete air here

Re: I\'m not known for making big folds...
 

how is his flop call scary? it was pretty much a min raise. every draw calls, every pair calls.

Re: I\'m not known for making big folds...
 

Do you think he would play J8, 86, or 9x in this fashion?

If so, don't fold.

Re: I\'m not known for making big folds...
 

[ QUOTE ]
how is his flop call scary? it was pretty much a min raise. every draw calls, every pair calls.

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because he wasn't the original bettor, he cold-called with the PFR yet to act

Re: I\'m not known for making big folds...
 

does anyone else really like a turn bet after exactly that turn card falls? my default would be to check the turn but after the 9 falls i'd strongly re-consider. i mean, it's a really good card for our hand and i dont mean just because it gives us a boat.

as played i can't see folding river. we DID make a small raise and then check two streets after all.

Re: I\'m not known for making big folds...
 

sensei, you really don't look like you have a boat here. i can't see folding given the way the hand played out.

my initial reaction is to say i don't like the turn check, but playing it this way sometimes may be the best way to get value on those frequent occasions he has some sort of draw or combo hand that is drawing dead or thin.

Re: I\'m not known for making big folds...
 

i never fold this.

Re: I\'m not known for making big folds...
 

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Do you think he would play J8, 86, or 9x in this fashion?

If so, don't fold.

[/ QUOTE ]

You know, wtf, I can think of a bunch of hands including bluffs that he would play this way. Folding is so not an option vs. his entire range.