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SABR42 12-01-2007 04:31 AM

Re: Fill up on river, shove or check?
 
Jesus Christ some people here have FPS.

Effective stacks sizes are $156, and the pot is $224.

Why would anyone NOT shove here?

The only possible argument for checking is if villain will bluff total air a significant % of the time.

my1ifesavins 12-01-2007 04:58 AM

Re: Fill up on river, shove or check?
 
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CRAI pretty sure its not even close

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for what reason? villain will never be bluffing and u really think that his v-bet range is wider than his range for calling a shove? if so examples plz.

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what are you putting villain on after the turn action?

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umm...a flush ldo? maybe A7/56/44 as far as hands we beat and he's gonna have A8 sometimes i guess. i think his range is super weighted towards flushes tho.

deaders 12-01-2007 05:16 AM

Re: Fill up on river, shove or check?
 
Yah I guess shove is pretty obvious, he folded quickly when I shoved but I think he has to have a big enough hand to call with often enough for shoving to be the best option.

Rollos 12-01-2007 05:28 AM

Re: Fill up on river, shove or check?
 
I would probably c/r since a 45/11 can show up with air here and almost always value bets with a flush.

orange 12-01-2007 05:30 AM

Re: Fill up on river, shove or check?
 
most any hand that he's calling a shove with he's betting on the river.

deaders 12-01-2007 05:34 AM

Re: Fill up on river, shove or check?
 
But there are hands he could call a shove with that he might check behind on the river.

I guess most people think hes not bluffing often with the turn raise so will valuebet anything that he raised the turn with? I dont think his turn raising range is only flushes.

kaby 12-01-2007 08:55 AM

Re: Fill up on river, shove or check?
 
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counting on him to bet is bad imo. he's a donk just shove.

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pretty sure shoving >>>> any other option



most any hand that he's calling a shove with he's betting on the river.


this is not true

A4 will call a shove most of the time, but checks behind

also, it's not impossible for villain to have like AT-AQ

Unknown Soldier 12-01-2007 09:27 AM

Re: Fill up on river, shove or check?
 
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most any hand that he's calling a shove with he's betting on the river.

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ya cr

JFsports 12-01-2007 09:40 AM

Re: Fill up on river, shove or check?
 
I'd shove, if it was deeper I'd like a c/r. With less than a PSB, CRAI seems like FPS to me. Line is irrelevant if he has straight+, the money is going in. There's a good chance he'd check behind with an A, but I think these guys will call with an A, so I think shoving is best.

ddrstel 12-01-2007 09:54 AM

Re: Fill up on river, shove or check?
 
WTF shove!

Why would a donk be bluffing the turn here only to follow it up with a river shove?

Someone mentioned before, effective stacks 156, pot is 224. Just shove.


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