flop monster turn is potential bad card
 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t800 (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP3 (t9199)
CO (t31388)
Button (t16485)
SB (t24753)
BB (t40039)
Hero (t42015)
UTG+1 (t65243)
MP1 (t16739)
MP2 (t12472)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero calls t800, UTG+1 calls t800, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t3400) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks.

Turn: (t3400) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t1800</font>, UTG+1 folds, SB calls t1800, BB folds.

River: (t7000) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t4800</font>, Hero


should i raise for value or flat call?

Re: flop monster turn is potential bad card
 

I'd raise PF about 1/2 the time.

I'd bet the flop quite a bit in an unrised pot. Most flush draws are hanging around and you are more likely to stack a bare 5 that way (waiting until a flush card comes off might scare a bare 5).

I'd probably just call the river.

Edit: NM, raise/shove the river. I thought a K just got ahead of you for a second.

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100% valuetown.. allday. i shove it all in and hope he has a K.. this guy thinks a naked K is a monster. or any pair &gt;8 for that matter.

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100% valuetown.. allday. i shove it all in and hope he has a K.. this guy thinks a naked K is a monster. or any pair &gt;8 for that matter.

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naked K in this hand IS a monster

Re: flop monster turn is potential bad card
 

agree... ^^

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I guess I'm in the minority here,bc I think I like the call better. I don't see why he'd have a K here,unless it's a busted draw,so I dunno if we are going to get called by a hand we beat that often.

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As much as bad players, for reasons I don't know, love the c/c, donk river, line with monsters, you've just gotta raise this river. He won't fold a K here &amp; he can show up with one in various random ways.

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just shove the river...raise is pointless...you are not folding...he is not folding a K or obviously a 5...good spot to get great value if he had a pp or a K

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It would break my heart but in an unraised pot I think im just callin river bet here.**

Ive a hard time understanding how a naked K was still in the hand on turn unless player is terrible

**Thats after i punch myself in the face for not raising preflop

EDIT: To say as someone else noted bet this flop all day long, alota draws out there and someone trapping with a 5 etc etc...way to much value lost in checking

Re: flop monster turn is potential bad card
 

why (aside from the fact the hand was posted) is everyone assuming we are beat??? Come on guys and gals...monsters do hide under the bed but in this case we have a big enough monster to comfortably fistpump...put it this way...with the action as is why do we even think the villan puts us on a hand as strong as we have?

limp pre...flop check....probe turn....he could have called with air or even KQ KJ and think he sucked out here!