What is my flop play?
 

Great game. It is loose and aggressive with a couple semi maniacs, and the rest just loose and dumb.

I raise UTG with AdKs, and get six callers including the blinds. I have the image of someone who is definately not weak tight.

The flop: Js7s3c

SB checks(He is one of the semi maniacs. He loves to check raise the flop with any kind of draw including just overcards and then check the turn when he misses), BB bets(He is loose and very straightforward. He at least has a Jack here. He does become passive in the face of aggression). I am next....What should I do?

Please no preflop advice.

Re: What is my flop play?
 

Id call. I dont think raising clears up your outs at all and you're opening yourself to a 3 bet. Folding is silly given the pot size.

Re: What is my flop play?
 

just call

Re: What is my flop play?
 

Dont you love two word posts that are identical to the one above it. The single answer to this post says it all-need no more comments on this thread-10 ring game hands with multiway pots-the OP is smart enough and already knows the answer-this may be the middle limit forum but I suspect the hand was played live in the 2-4 to 4-8 range.

Re: What is my flop play?
 

Pjf:
You got alot of balls for someone with less posts than myself (hard to do). Ease on the forum bashing until you have a 1,000 posts.

As to the hand. I like the call for Nina's reasons. I don't see any other way to play it.

Re: What is my flop play?
 

Let me add some more information for you guys. I should have been a little more specific how these maniacs play post flop. If I just call here there is a great probability that maniac 1 will raise and maniac 2 will reraise and this could get expensive. If I raise the maniacs will probably just call since they do actually have a little respect for me although they may still raise because they are maniacs(Well, I would say semi maniacs).

Raising does get out some six out hands and perhaps a hand like A3 or maybe A7. True these hands may still come along since the pot is so big but not always. If I choose to continue I believe raising is the better play given the size of the pot. If I can eliminate a few hands from this pot it greatly increases my chances of surviving this hand if I spike an Ace or King on the turn.

One way or another this is probably going to be expensive if I choose to continue.

Re: What is my flop play?
 

fold > raise > call, imo

players to act behind, often reverse dominated on the flop, aggressive table means it will often be 3-bets and your c/r friend in the sb may make it even more difficult to see it cheap

Re: What is my flop play?
 

folding is pretty bad imo; the pot is large and we have 4-7 outs most likely with easy odds to call one and see. if it comes back capped then we can decide again what to do.

Re: What is my flop play?
 

mong - you got pf right this time; don't worry [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: What is my flop play?
 

pjf - you make a good point also that just because someone is in a certain game doesn't mean they know every situation cold. however, that's why we have this forum.