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We definitely need a special teams coach. Our special teams were subpar. Mesko's good, but our punt and kickoff returns were terrible. Breaston's absense is not an excuse. How many times did our KO returner get hit at the 12 yard line by 3 opponents? We never blocked anybody.

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Special teams has been abysmal this year. But I don't think Michigan has ever had a special teams coordinator. The NCAA limits the amount of "coaches" a team can hire and have on the sidelines (1 head coach, 9 assistants, two graduate assistants). At U of M, special teams responsibilities have historically been divided up among the coordinators and other assistants. Michigan does have an assistant who is given the title of Special Teams Quality Control, or something like that, but I think he has other duties/focuses outside of special teams.

I think LSU has a special teams coordinator, so this is something that could change if Miles is hired.

Re: Lloyd Carr Retiring
 

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as a buckeyes fan, i would be a lot happier with michigan hiring les miles than i would be with michigan hiring jeff tedford or jon gruden.

is miles better than carr? sure, but that's not really the debate here.

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But of course it's not clear that Tedford would come (might be hoping for an NFL offer, or might just like the west coast, that's the rumor with his wife not wanting to leave). Gruden of course would be a longshot, and all we have to go on is some throw-away comment where he said his ideal job would be coaching at Michigan, which is nice and all but not something to get too excited about. Miles seems to be the best of the reasonable options, unless you somehow believe you could get Urban or Stoops or something, and that's ludicrous.

BTW on Miles, I reserve judgment on most of his work since I just haven't seen enough or don't know enough about it all. But, one thing: turning Okie State from crap into a respectable team is pretty impressive. Not so much for that alone, but because he did it at the same time Oklahoma and Texas were getting really good again. It'd be one thing if he exploited a downturn by division and recruiting rivals, but he didn't.

Re: Lloyd Carr Retiring
 

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Interesting stats-thing

Don't know if this is meaningful but it is an interesting look (I thought) at Carr vs. other coaches against different types of teams (by ranking). Infer whatever you will from it.

BTW, if Michigan wins Carr will be 3rd all-time in Big Ten win % (10 season minimum; this keeps Tressel out, though he'll be way up there in 3 years) behind Bo and Yost. Woody is 3rd/4th, Crisler is 5th.

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Some interesting stats on that page for Spurrier (stats are for when he was at Florida using the final AP top 25 polls):
-83-1 vs. unranked teams (Anybody know who the lose was to?)
-44% of his games were against top 25 teams
-23% of games were against top 10 teams

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The Spurrier thing was just amazing when I first looked at it. The other thing is that Holtz was pretty damned good. Even moreso when it turns out that no one can win at ND at an elite level (or they only hire incompetents). But he had an excellent record against very hard competition.

Also, the fact that Lloyd has 1 fewer win vs. a top ten than Joe Pa is hilarious.

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" hiring jeff tedford or jon gruden hiring jeff tedford or jon gruden"

gruden would destroy college football.

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Gruden does seem a perfect fit for college. Is this just wishfull thinking or is there a rumor out there or any reason to think this might happen?

Re: Lloyd Carr Retiring
 

Gruden's a terrible fit for college football. Look at the kind of quarterback he prefers, he's always been best with a veteran. He was practically scooping up anyone with 10+ years experience this season, can you imagine how a bunch of 18-22 year olds would drive him crazy?

Re: Lloyd Carr Retiring
 

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" hiring jeff tedford or jon gruden hiring jeff tedford or jon gruden"

gruden would destroy college football.

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Gruden does seem a perfect fit for college. Is this just wishfull thinking or is there a rumor out there or any reason to think this might happen?

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Just what alluded to above; that in some interview he was asked what his ideal job would be and he said coaching at Michigan. But I wouldn't read a ton into that, given the throwaway context of it.

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BTW on Miles, I reserve judgment on most of his work since I just haven't seen enough or don't know enough about it all. But, one thing: turning Okie State from crap into a respectable team is pretty impressive. Not so much for that alone, but because he did it at the same time Oklahoma and Texas were getting really good again. It'd be one thing if he exploited a downturn by division and recruiting rivals, but he didn't.

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This is honestly the most comforting thing to me about him. To make that team good with Texas and Oklahoma recruiting like they were at the time is very, very impressive.

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It's a long shot but I am begging, please, ONE TIME...Brian Kelly. I can't stress this enough and nobody will listen anyway, but I swear this would be a great hire.

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Can anyone defend Les Miles as far as gameday coaching goes?

I'm scared that Michigan will hire a Michigan man and we will be stuck with Les for the next couple of decades even if he goes 7-5 or 8-4 year in, year out.

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" hiring jeff tedford or jon gruden hiring jeff tedford or jon gruden"

gruden would destroy college football.

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He'd probably institute a pro-style offense. Let them try to stop it!

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Can anyone defend Les Miles as far as gameday coaching goes?

I'm scared that Michigan will hire a Michigan man and we will be stuck with Les for the next couple of decades even if he goes 7-5 or 8-4 year in, year out.

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I'm certainly not qualified, but maybe you could be more specific? Are you talking about playcalling, 4th downs, etc?

Again, not qualified, but my sense is that Matt Flynn just isn't very good, and with Doucet injured as well it makes more sense to feature a run-heavy gameplan. Really the only thing I've seen that I thought was definitely wrong was running 3 plays in the last minute and 30 against Auburn. Otherwise he seems to have a grasp of what to do on 4th downs, whether or not he does any sort of cost-benefit analysis, it looks like he gets it right most of the time. And he seems willing to hire top-notch coordinators, although others have suggested he isn't willing to trust them enough.

I am intrigued by Brian Kelly, though, and would give him a lot of consideration too.\

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Can anyone defend Les Miles as far as gameday coaching goes?

I'm scared that Michigan will hire a Michigan man and we will be stuck with Les for the next couple of decades even if he goes 7-5 or 8-4 year in, year out.

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I'm certainly not qualified, but maybe you could be more specific? Are you talking about playcalling, 4th downs, etc?

Again, not qualified, but my sense is that Matt Flynn just isn't very good, and with Doucet injured as well it makes more sense to feature a run-heavy gameplan. Really the only thing I've seen that I thought was definitely wrong was running 3 plays in the last minute and 30 against Auburn. Otherwise he seems to have a grasp of what to do on 4th downs, whether or not he does any sort of cost-benefit analysis, it looks like he gets it right most of the time. And he seems willing to hire top-notch coordinators, although others have suggested he isn't willing to trust them enough.

I am intrigued by Brian Kelly, though, and would give him a lot of consideration too.\

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I should have worded that better. I'm not saying that Miles sucks. It's just that that's all I ever hear. I guess the only things I've seen are what you mentioned and all of those fourth downs against Florida. I didn't like that at all. I'm just wondering if he really is not a very good X's and O's guy.

Re: Lloyd Carr Retiring
 

Les Miles would make a great fit at Michigan, he already is 0-1 against Ohio State (and was favored going into the game).

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Can anyone defend Les Miles as far as gameday coaching goes?

I'm scared that Michigan will hire a Michigan man and we will be stuck with Les for the next couple of decades even if he goes 7-5 or 8-4 year in, year out.

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I'm certainly not qualified, but maybe you could be more specific? Are you talking about playcalling, 4th downs, etc?

Again, not qualified, but my sense is that Matt Flynn just isn't very good, and with Doucet injured as well it makes more sense to feature a run-heavy gameplan. Really the only thing I've seen that I thought was definitely wrong was running 3 plays in the last minute and 30 against Auburn. Otherwise he seems to have a grasp of what to do on 4th downs, whether or not he does any sort of cost-benefit analysis, it looks like he gets it right most of the time. And he seems willing to hire top-notch coordinators, although others have suggested he isn't willing to trust them enough.

I am intrigued by Brian Kelly, though, and would give him a lot of consideration too.\

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I should have worded that better. I'm not saying that Miles sucks. It's just that that's all I ever hear. I guess the only things I've seen are what you mentioned and all of those fourth downs against Florida. I didn't like that at all. I'm just wondering if he really is not a very good X's and O's guy.

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Meh, my take was that those were all very good calls (and MGOBLOG agrees with me). Now the question (aside from whether those were good calls or not) is whether he is doing it because, like Charlie Weis, you just do crazy things because that's what brilliant coaches do apparently, or if he's doing them because he has a good sense of the cost-benefit analysis. Hopefully it's b, because while I think coaches need to go for it more than they do (not as much as Romer suggests but quite a bit), it's very easy to fall in love with the idea of a guy beings ballsy, which isn't what I want. I want decisions to made intelligently, not with bravado.

Re: Lloyd Carr Retiring
 

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Les Miles would make a great fit at Michigan, he already is 0-1 against Ohio State (and was favored going into the game).

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I forgot the world began once Tressel was hired.

Re: Lloyd Carr Retiring
 

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3108059

ESPN now reporting the Lloyd rumors:

"Signs have been pointing toward this being the 62-year-old's 13th and final year. Carr altered his contract last December, allowing him to easily make this his final season as coach and still collect deferred compensation. In March, his assistant coaches were given two-year deals to pay them through Feb. 28, 2009, even if they are not coaching at Michigan."

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"Many others, however, have been talking about his possible successor for months, if not years.

LSU coach Les Miles seems to be at the top of the list because he played for the late Bo Schembechler at Michigan. That is where Miles met his wife, and he was an assistant there under Schembechler.

Even though Miles appears to be in a great situation leading the top-ranked Tigers in a talent-rich area of the country, the school seemed concerned enough about him bolting for Ann Arbor that it put a specific clause in his contract to make it an expensive move.

In the "termination by coach" section of his deal, Michigan is the only other school mentioned. It states that Miles will not seek or accept employment as Michigan's coach. If Miles does leave LSU to coach the Wolverines, he must pay LSU $1.25 million."

Re: Lloyd Carr Retiring
 

On campus, everyone thought carr was retiring at the end of the year before the season started... the big rumor is that he'd take the AD's job after. UM would probably have to pay him more than the 1 dollar/year they pay the current AD tho.

Re: Lloyd Carr Retiring
 

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news?s...&type=lgns

"His (Lloyd's) decision when to announce his retirement will tell you all you need to know about his true support of Miles succeeding him. Since neither man is talking, all we have is fun speculation.

Publicly, no one knows their true relationship. It may be good. It may not.

Miles lettered under Bo Schembechler in 1974-75 and was an assistant coach at U of M from 1980-81 and 1987-94, right alongside Lloyd Carr. But when Carr got the head coaching job in 1995, Miles promptly left to be an assistant at Oklahoma State, a less than lateral move.

If Carr wants to help Miles get the Michigan job, then he'd wait until January, after the BCS title game, to call it quits. Then the entire thing is seamless.

If he wants to hurt Miles' chances, then he announces his retirement within the next week.

That would put Miles in a brutal position and quite possibly eliminate him as a candidate. While coaches often switch jobs in the lull before the bowl season, no one has ever left a team before the title game. Even if you were crazy enough to do it, the move would probably kill you in recruiting forever.

In one quick announcement, Carr could whack the guy in a number of different ways.

Carr must know all of this. He knows how coaches think. He knows Les Miles. He knows why he has a great job. And he knows that, even if he isn't allowed to hand-pick his successor (and who knows, maybe he will be) there are other ways to influence who is going to follow him.

So if there is no announcement in the next week – either retirement or a promise to return for 2008 – then it stands to reason Carr wants Miles.

If he calls it quits, then the rumors of his preferred candidates being either Carolina Panthers defensive coordinator Mike Trgovac, who played for U of M 1977-80, or Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz take on added value."

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Everytime Kirk Ferentz's name gets brought up for the Michigan job, Baby Jesus cries.

Anyway, I agree with the crux of the article. Lloyd has to be pretty-well aware that if he announced on Monday, he's essentially [censored] Miles.

Trogvac's name has been brought up in the past; I forgot to mention him in my previous posts on the coaching search. I also didn't mention Cam Cameron, another former Bo assistant. I doubt he'd leave the Dolphins, especially this early into his tenure there, but there is precedent for that kind of thing:

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Anyone upset with Michigan's propensity for staid offenses would probably enjoy Cameron, who's known as an offensive guru; we all know how the last "zomg offensive genius" who made the transition from the NFL to college worked out. Plus, his Indiana teams were pretty bad. So color me skeptical.

Re: Lloyd Carr Retiring
 

Didn't Chelsea just fire their football coach? Let's go get him.

Re: Lloyd Carr Retiring
 

If we can convince Cameron to be Les Miles' OC, sure. As HC, no thank you, but no one has really suggested him. Of course, the only people I talk to have no influence and very few contacts so...

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Didn't Chelsea just fire their football coach? Let's go get him.

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Could he beat Saline?

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I was hoping Cam Cameron's name wouldn't come up (as a serious candidate that is). Hoping against hope, that the new coach was an outsider. For those in the know, will money be a factor? Are we prepared to pay top dollar? I know we'll never pay Saban type money, but I hope we don't do this on the cheap.

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Didn't Chelsea just fire their football coach? Let's go get him.

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Could he beat Saline?

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LOL at both comments. awesome.

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I was hoping Cam Cameron's name wouldn't come up (as a serious candidate that is). Hoping against hope, that the new coach was an outsider. For those in the know, will money be a factor? Are we prepared to pay top dollar? I know we'll never pay Saban type money, but I hope we don't do this on the cheap.

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That is/was a concern, as there was a certain sense before that we'd pay less because great coaches would want to come here and take less money for the privilege of coaching Michigan. That won't happen now. Martin's paying big bucks for Beilein and basketball is very encouraging. I'm not expecting 5 mil/year or anything, but we'll pay. Of course if Miles really wants the job, as is almost certainly the case, we can probably get him cheaper. That'd be an interesting negotiation, with Michigan knowing Miles desperately wants to coach Michigan but nevertheless being at a top job where it should theoretically take a ton to pry him away.

As far as outsiders, I don't really care. I mean, no one from the current staff because no one is qualified yet (someone like Loefler or English could be down the road). Miles has a Michigan pedigree, but he's spent time in the Big12, SEC, and NFL. It's not total inbreeding here.

Mind you, we're going to be pissed off at something the new coach does, whoever it is, and quite frankly it's going to be hard to find someone who does a substantially better than Carr in terms of overall record, but at least it's time for a new set of things to be frustrated about.

Re: Lloyd Carr Retiring
 

Also, various sources are pretty adamant that the team has been told re: Carr leaving, lest there be any panic that he might waver and stay.

Re: Lloyd Carr Retiring
 

I'm curious as to how Martin ultimately decides on who the best fit to replace Lloyd would be. What factors does he consider? I mean, ideally, you'd want someone who is all of the following:

1. Innovative
2. Loyal to the school/a good "face" for the U
3. Teaches fundamentals well
4. Hires/develops great assistants
5. Inspiring
6. Solid in-game coach
7. Great recruiter
8. Runs a tight, clean program
9. Interacts well with boosters/alumni/faculty
10. Media friendly
11. Has a track record of success
12. Develops pro prospects
13. Young enough to be around for a while (ageist ban imo)

I'm sure there are more, those are just ones I came up with at the moment.

Any candidate out there is going to have some of these but not all. What's most important? What's least (media imo, see Carr, Lloyd). Are there any that you can live without? Do you disqualify someone because he fails at one or more?

I think scoring "unknown" or "fail" in multiple categories should disqualify some of the internal candidates (I'm talkin' to YOU, Debord), btw.

Re: Lloyd Carr Retiring
 

bonds,

1-13 don't mean a goddamn thing if you can't beat ohio state.

soooo, i sure hope that 1-13 are the criteria being considered, while we just keep on winning.

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bonds,

1-13 don't mean a goddamn thing if you can't beat ohio state.

soooo, i sure hope that 1-13 are the criteria being considered, while we just keep on winning.

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I love Ohio State fans that act like Lloyd Carr is 0-12 against OSU.

While Tressel has had success against him, Lloyd rolled over Cooper. I know that when Lloyd retires, OSU fans will be just as disappointed as I was when OSU fired Cooper.

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bonds,

1-13 don't mean a goddamn thing if you can't beat ohio state.

soooo, i sure hope that 1-13 are the criteria being considered, while we just keep on winning.

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Do you mean the perception of being able to beat Ohio State or the actual ability? Do Michigan and Ohio State fans think there is some element to beating the other or than what it would take to beat, say, Penn State?

Re: Lloyd Carr Retiring
 

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bonds,

1-13 don't mean a goddamn thing if you can't beat ohio state.

soooo, i sure hope that 1-13 are the criteria being considered, while we just keep on winning.

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So, using your criteria, our coaching search options are limited to the following:

1. Ron ZOOK
2. Urban Meyer
3. Mack Brown
4. Joe Paterno
5. Barry Alvarez
6. Joe Tiller
7. Kirk Ferentz
8. Randy Walker (RIP)
9. Anyone else who beat tO$U prior to 2004.

Damn, I guess we ARE going to get Ferentz.

(ps: there is a whole other thread devoted to hating on each other, you don't need to do it here)

Re: Lloyd Carr Retiring
 

bonds, I think run a clean program is number 1. That is one of the things I give Carr credit for. I would much rather lose doing things right, then win by cheating. However, that really isn't a choice you should have to make at Michigan, with all our advantages, especially in recruiting.

Not on your list, but I'd like to see a coach with some background in special teams.

Re: Lloyd Carr Retiring
 

mpitts,

you notice who's coaching here now and who isn't. and you're dead spot on, we're going to be devastated when LLoyd retires. and rooting desperately for les miles!

jaredl,

there pretty clearly is. obv it's not sample size/luck/'tever.

bonds,

i'll take any chance i can to hate on y'all, thanks.

in reality, any criteria for michigan coach should be 1: beat ohio state 2-14: whatever mumbo jumbo you said.

Re: Lloyd Carr Retiring
 

I don't think age is a huge problem. We don't need a 20-year guy. Plus, anyone that young (late 30's/early 40's) is going to have less of a track record and is more of a threat to move on and up. Granted, if your coach does well enough such that the NFL or something comes calling, oh well, you obviously had a lot of success and can hire again. But someone like Miles gives us 10-12 years, once we get tired of his particular flaws it'll be time for him to move on anyway.

WRT all those criteria, they obviously all matter. Basically, if you separate them into things that have a big direct effect on winning (recruiting, strategy, teaching etc) and more representative ones that may have an effect on winning but it is more incidental (good face for the university, media savvy, clean program). In so far as the first set goes, obviously I want whatever combination makes winning most likely. All are useful, some more than others. Recruiting is huge, as is hiring top assistants and teaching well.

As far as the others go, keeping the program clean (or as clean as these things can be) is #1. Media savvy would be a nice change from Carr and I'd love to have a real spring game but whatever, I'd be very hard-pressed to think of the situation where that ultimately changes my opinion on a guy.

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bonds, I think run a clean program is number 1. That is one of the things I give Carr credit for. I would much rather lose doing things right, then win by cheating. However, that really isn't a choice you should have to make at Michigan, with all our advantages, especially in recruiting.

Not on your list, but I'd like to see a coach with some background in special teams.

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I think you're right about running a clean program, but what does that mean - no NCAA violations? No player arrests? No Miami-FIU brawls? No strippers on recruiting trips?

Is it enough that the coach's integrity is unquestionable, even if some of the players go astray, kids being kids?

And how much weight, if any do you give to the whispers? I mean, Miles hasn't (to the best of my knowledge) ever been sanctioned or even investigated by the NCAA, but you read crazy stuff on the internet that says he's a bit shady.

I don't expect you or anyone to have answers, but Martin's going to have to think about that stuff before committing millions.

And on the subject of special teams, I'd be happy if the new guy just put a little emphasis on it. Maybe had a special teams assistant. You can only do so much as the head guy, so I don't care if he's got experience as long as he makes it a priority.

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I think you're right about running a clean program, but what does that mean - no NCAA violations? No player arrests? No Miami-FIU brawls? No strippers on recruiting trips?

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Of course it can't mean no arrests. It means no violations or brawls, and reasonable discipline when arrests do occur. Anyway, if there aren't decent disciplinary measures taken, then things will likely get out of hand eventually. Some of this also means that occasionally taking a flyer on a kid with a record is necessary.

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Of course.

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And how much weight, if any do you give to the whispers? I mean, Miles hasn't (to the best of my knowledge) ever been sanctioned or even investigated by the NCAA, but you read crazy stuff on the internet that says he's a bit shady.

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Not really sure. The main rumor I've heard is telling recruits (specifically Jai Eugene) things about Carr's health that weren't true. That's a bit of a problem; I expect negative recruiting but I'd at least like to pretend it is legitimate. Plus he's at LSU; in Louisiana, breaking the rules is mandatory. But I hope that the institutional control and expectation ensure that he or whoever the coach is doesn't do anything wrong.

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I don't expect you or anyone to have answers, but Martin's going to have to think about that stuff before committing millions.

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I'm sure he will. Not that I ever expect academics to overpower athletics here, but if we had a "renegade" program the faculty would be a lot louder and they would get more attention when bitching about athletics. The powers that be are very sensitive to maintaining good athletics but are even more concerned with the academic reputation, and I'd suspect that running a renegade program would be seen as tarnishing that somehow. Plus Ed Marten isn't cold in his grave as far as the Athletic Department is concerned; they are very sensitive to this.

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And on the subject of special teams, I'd be happy if the new guy just put a little emphasis on it. Maybe had a special teams assistant. You can only do so much as the head guy, so I don't care if he's got experience as long as he makes it a priority.

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We had one for awhile, it's only the last 2 years that we haven't. The weird thing is that we've had good special teams at various times: Breaston was a great kick returner, we blocked a ton of punts in 2001 (and none since; baffling), and periods of consistent solid kickers interspersed with awful ones (2001, this year until KC came in).

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I don't think age is a huge problem. We don't need a 20-year guy. Plus, anyone that young (late 30's/early 40's) is going to have less of a track record and is more of a threat to move on and up.

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True, but I think it would disqualify *some* of the names that have been tossed about. Just to pick one random example, Norm Chow. He's 61, which means he's not even a possibility for 10 years. (not that I think he's a possibility in the first place, but he's been mentioned on a couple wish lists)

I don't think you can even consider anyone over 52 - it has to be ideal to have the possibility of having a great coach for at least 10 years, right?

Too young is less of an issue, simply because it'd be hard to find a young coach with the necessary background. No chance Martin hires a trainee.

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Could he beat Saline?

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saline pwns all. HORNETS! (class of 01)

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Right. Early 50's is as old as it goes, and you can't get much younger than 40. Not because young people suck but because you want a significant track record. Many programs need to take chances, hoping to find the next big thing in coaching, and so have to take risks on guys who have had a couple of good years at 1 school and hope they are a good coach generally. Michigan and other top programs have no need to do this; let them prove themselves at the lower levels and pluck them away. Or you can be like Notre Dame and just make a bunch of bizarre hires (a friggin' high school coach? Really?).

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If Jim Harbaugh didn't make the comments about academics etc..earlier this year, does anybody think he would be a candidate?

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guys on the radar for a higher head coaching job

Mark Mangino
Charlie Strong
Bo Pellini
Wil Muschamp
Brent Venables
Jumbo Fisher
Jim Harbaugh
Gus Malzahn
Mike Leach
DeWayne Walker
Steve Sarkisian
Greg Davis
Ron Prince
Gary Pinkel


I wouldn't be shocked if Michigan ends up with Greg Mattison who is flying under the radar

He is currently Florida's co-defensive coordinator. He was a d-line coach and defensive coordinator at Michigan from 1992 to 1996. He's a midwest guy. His son plays at Iowa right now.