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MATT111 09-13-2007 08:14 PM

Bluffing 130BB into a side pot
 
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

UTG ($92.87)
MP ($667.70)
Hero ($919.37)
SB ($1043.75)
BB ($1109.34)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls $6, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $30</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $110</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls $86.87 (All-In), Hero calls $80.

Flop: ($318.87) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $200</font>, Hero calls $809.37 (All-In)


SB is an ordinary TAG. I dont remember much how he plays. UTG is a donk he could have anything really.
On the flop villain is betting 200 into a 30$ side pot. My thinking is that hands I am about 50/50 and A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] x combos against are the biggest part of his range. I basically only fear A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Ax which I am absolutely dead against.

JKratzer 09-13-2007 08:17 PM

Re: Bluffing 130BB into a side pot
 
reraise pre. fold flop.

Scipio 09-13-2007 08:30 PM

Re: Bluffing 130BB into a side pot
 
preflop is a tough decision but i think the call is okay. If you push with AK you allways push in hope for folding a hand with better equity ( 22-JJ). Here you donīt have "semibluff"-options because you have to win against a third player.

Flop is an easy fold in my eyes. I donīt think that he bets craphands like AdKd. His range is much tighter because of the sidepots.I would say his callingrange is wide enough but here you have to use pokerstove. My feeling says me that you donīt have enough FE to justify pushing here.

w33ktight 09-13-2007 08:35 PM

Re: Bluffing 130BB into a side pot
 
At least do this with the Ac, here you can get called drawing almost dead. I don't like it.

sauce123 09-13-2007 08:41 PM

Re: Bluffing 130BB into a side pot
 
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reraise pre. fold flop.

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MATT111 09-13-2007 08:42 PM

Re: Bluffing 130BB into a side pot
 
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preflop is a tough decision but i think the call is okay. If you push with AK you allways push in hope for folding a hand with better equity ( 22-JJ). Here you donīt have "semibluff"-options because you have to win against a third player.

Flop is an easy fold in my eyes. I donīt think that he bets craphands like AdKd. His range is much tighter because of the sidepots.I would say his callingrange is wide enough but here you have to use pokerstove. My feeling says me that you donīt have enough FE to justify pushing here.

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At the point I am pushing there is 230$ in the side pot. Plus I may sometimes buy the main pot as well.
Overpairs smaller than KK I have about 45% equity aginst. I guess it comes down to how often he has Acx hands and if he folds those.
Also: If he has AcAx, is he gonna bet the flop so strong? (given there`s only 30$ in the sidepot)

Borsig 09-13-2007 08:43 PM

Re: Bluffing 130BB into a side pot
 
I would like this play if you had the Ac..

MATT111 09-13-2007 08:44 PM

Re: Bluffing 130BB into a side pot
 
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reraise pre. fold flop.

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Are we felting this for 150bb?

Scipio 09-13-2007 09:17 PM

Re: Bluffing 130BB into a side pot
 
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preflop is a tough decision but i think the call is okay. If you push with AK you allways push in hope for folding a hand with better equity ( 22-JJ). Here you donīt have "semibluff"-options because you have to win against a third player.

Flop is an easy fold in my eyes. I donīt think that he bets craphands like AdKd. His range is much tighter because of the sidepots.I would say his callingrange is wide enough but here you have to use pokerstove. My feeling says me that you donīt have enough FE to justify pushing here.

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At the point I am pushing there is 230$ in the side pot. Plus I may sometimes buy the main pot as well.
Overpairs smaller than KK I have about 45% equity aginst. I guess it comes down to how often he has Acx hands and if he folds those.
Also: If he has AcAx, is he gonna bet the flop so strong? (given there`s only 30$ in the sidepot)

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Okay, letīs give him a loose prefloprange like 22+, any suited connector, KQo+, ATo+, A8s. Now i think he bets only a set, 8c8x-TcTx, JxJx+ and Ac8x-AcKx, XcXc.
Letīs assume his callingrange are Jc,Jx+,KK+, AcKx, XcXc.

He betīs 5,8% hands ( if i didnīt make any mistake).
He calls with 3% of hands, so you have ~50% FE.
Against his range you have an equity of 33%.

If he folds you win 230$, if he calls you loose
0,50*(-809$*0,7) = 542$, so overall a very bad spot against this range. I donīt know what if his range is 88+, AJo+,A9s+ but against a loose range you are dead...

Donkey-Milker 09-13-2007 09:56 PM

Re: Bluffing 130BB into a side pot
 
he isn't folding. he has JJ etc. you need to draw out.


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