its hard to mess up 2overs + fd ... unless
 

What range of hands does UTG have? If he has 99-JJ or a set, we are not making money on this hand??

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $197.00
BB: $231.05
UTG: $241.70
CO: $368.75
BTN: $252.50

Reads: <font color="blue">villain is a tag.</font>

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $7.00</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $6.00, BB folds

Flop: ($16) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $12.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $52.00</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises all-in to $234.70</font>, Hero calls all-in for $138.00
Uncalled bet of $44.70 returned to UTG

Turn: ($396) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

River: ($396) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

Pot Size: $396.00 ($3 Rake)

Re: its hard to mess up 2overs + fd ... unless
 

dont raise so much. i make it 38 there so he can call. with such a big raise, you're making his calling range tighter. also, people might be thinking "he raised big, he wants a fold" and shove some [censored].

im happy getting it in here, but 52 is too big for me.

Re: its hard to mess up 2overs + fd ... unless
 

fwiw, $52 is pot and I'm not happy playing a fd, oop on the turn when I brick.

Re: its hard to mess up 2overs + fd ... unless
 

Looks fine although you're not really getting the right odds to call purely for the flush draw.

You can also b/3b.

Re: its hard to mess up 2overs + fd ... unless
 

i agree, 52 is just too big on the flop. sure, we'll go to the felt but lets not force the issue if possible. i also like b/3b better than CR

Re: its hard to mess up 2overs + fd ... unless
 

b/3b-shove would be a better way to manage your equity here imo.

Re: its hard to mess up 2overs + fd ... unless
 

If everyone thinks his raise is too big, then how would a b/3b line allow for all the money to go in on flop? Say he donks for $12 and his opponent raises to the 'recommended' $38 or what have you. Now he jams for ~$150?

I think your line is fine and reaction would be different if you hit a Q/A/diamond somewhere in the hand. A good spot too gamble.

A b/3b is perfectly fine as well. I just don't agree with all who rag on a c/r here with these stacks. Getting the money in on this flop is fine no matter how it goes in. And personally, with you choosing the c/r line, I like your bet sizing WAY more then a smaller bet.

Re: its hard to mess up 2overs + fd ... unless
 

i think b3b is way better given the stacks and current pot. i'd rather be making the final big bet.

Re: its hard to mess up 2overs + fd ... unless
 

b/3b.

Re: its hard to mess up 2overs + fd ... unless
 

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If everyone thinks his raise is too big, then how would a b/3b line allow for all the money to go in on flop? Say he donks for $12 and his opponent raises to the 'recommended' $38 or what have you. Now he jams for ~$150?

I think your line is fine and reaction would be different if you hit a Q/A/diamond somewhere in the hand. A good spot too gamble.

A b/3b is perfectly fine as well. I just don't agree with all who rag on a c/r here with these stacks. Getting the money in on this flop is fine no matter how it goes in. And personally, with you choosing the c/r line, I like your bet sizing WAY more then a smaller bet.

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c/r'ing 38 or 52 leaves awkward remaining stacks, if villain pushes we dont have the odds to call.

b/3b'ing leaves us fully committed with v.good odds to call AND i think we have a lot of fold equity here.

b/3b'ing is majorly +ev here.