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Aaron W. 11-28-2007 02:56 AM

Re: To cap or not to cap.
 
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Why on earth would we want to check/raise the turn when our draw hits? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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We're playing against an aggressive opponent who may give us too much action.

Harv72b 11-28-2007 03:00 AM

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And we have another player who apparently likes his hand sandwiched in the middle of us, and who we'll be facing with 2 cold if we check/raise when an obvious draw (like the frush) comes in on the turn. Lead the turn & hope the lagtard lets us 3bet, when we hit of course.

Aaron W. 11-28-2007 03:02 AM

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And we have another player who apparently likes his hand sandwiched in the middle of us, and who we'll be facing with 2 cold if we check/raise when an obvious draw (like the frush) comes in on the turn. Lead the turn & hope the lagtard lets us 3bet, when we hit of course.

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PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em

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Unless he has TPMK, he's not going to fold any hand he likes.

Dankenstein 11-28-2007 03:05 AM

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If UTG+1 folds we've lost him for the big streets where at worst we'd have made back the 2sb we're getting on the flop by capping.

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UTG did fold. something I really wasn't expecting from him.

The turn is a 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
I lead out and CO calls

The river is a 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Hero....Bluffs OOP ? Check calls with AK high...or Check folds his busted draw in a pot that is over 10BB.

Mitke 11-28-2007 05:06 AM

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(Preflop is ok if the table is on the loose-side, esp the blinds.)

To the flop question:

(I'm not sure about leading the flop, although we'd like to bloat the pot here for our monster draw and villains are on the passive side.)

My first instinct is to cap it w 12 outs to the nuts. The thing is that I don't think we drive out the UTG from the pot by capping. If we hit the turn it is going to look scary and the passives might not allow us to c/r or give much action anyway so get the money in now and give them more reasons to stay in if we hit.

neurotiq 11-28-2007 05:25 AM

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For what it's worth, I think preflop is fine.

Against this opponent, I usually just call in this spot and wait until after the draw hits to raise again. I don't want UTG+2 to freak out and fold when it goes two bets back to him, either.

OziBattler 11-28-2007 07:21 AM

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The turn is a 2
I lead out and CO calls

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umm, given the flop action he, being an idiot, isnt folding any sort of made hand and you have K high [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

fretelöo 11-28-2007 07:42 AM

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The turn is a 2
I lead out and CO calls

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umm, given the flop action he, being an idiot, isnt folding any sort of made hand and you have K high [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]


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... and turn your hand face up if you check oop if a brick comes and you just capped the flop...

OziBattler 11-28-2007 07:49 AM

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... and turn your hand face up if you check oop if a brick comes and you just capped the flop...

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fret, welcome back! I Dont think it matters against a villian is an idiot and even though we capped teh flop I think our fold equity against an idiot who 3bet the flop is zippo. if we think he is capable of bluffing a worse busted draw on the river then we can c/c with K high

in general, its not that wise to bluff/semibluff when we know he will call/raise isnt that smrt.

Mitke 11-28-2007 07:52 AM

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The turn is a 2, I lead out and CO calls

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umm, given the flop action he, being an idiot, isnt folding any sort of made hand and you have K high [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]


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... and turn your hand face up if you check oop if a brick comes and you just capped the flop...

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True, however I'm wondering does it matter in this spot?

We are playing against a loooose semiaggro who just 3-bet raised flop. He probably isn't going to fold on the turn and chances are he's not going to fold on the river either.

Moreover, I think it is more likely he could raise costing us 1BB extra to see the river with K-high and a good draw.


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