5/10 turn shove?
 

Prima Network No-Limit Hold'em, $10.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

CO ($1014.00)
Hero ($918.75)
SB ($1148.00)
BB ($1355.25)
UTG ($1267.33)
MP ($1102.00)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $35</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $130</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls $95.

Flop: ($275) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $215</font>, CO calls $215.

Turn: ($705) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
CO checks, Hero? $574 left

Final Pot: $1852.50


villain is 18/14/3, pretty good i guess, cant remember much specific history with him
no timing tells
how oftne if ever should i be shoving turn?

Re: 5/10 turn shove?
 

i shove here every time.

Re: 5/10 turn shove?
 

Shooooove it

Re: 5/10 turn shove?
 

How aggro preflop is hero?

Re: 5/10 turn shove?
 

19/17 or so i guess he will have me at, this is at start of a session though

Re: 5/10 turn shove?
 

I don't think its as easy as a shove as a couple people have said. Esp. on prima, yall get looked up with any king and maybe even QQ or JJ. I think you should have some type of read on this player to shove here, otherwise, it seems kinda wreckless. I def. think there are times to shove the turn, but i think you should have some type of read for doing it.

Re: 5/10 turn shove?
 

What are we folding out if we shove other then naked heart draws? Kx is calling here for sure, and as stated above it wouldn't surprise me if JJ/QQ called it off.

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with image i shove too, i dont see many kx's getting this far from a 18/14, i feel like he folds kj-kt pf and a good amount of the time kq as well

i mean if he has qq and jj here and calls then so be it, but if you do the math im pretty sure it'll be +ev...coordinate his pf range(ak(4bets?) aq,33-tt,does he 4bet jj/qq always?) w/his calling range on the flop(88-qq,ak) and i think the shove is good, plus it balances out when we do have ak and want a call. Also, since i think he'll 4bet ak alot preflop your ace outs should be good and if he has a small pair your q outs are good too so you wont be drawing dead if he makes a hero call

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I should also mention that by "image" i mean the fact that you're 19/17 and you have virtually no history of 3betting him light bc its the beginning of the session, which means if hes competent he can have your pf range at {aqs, ak, aa,kk-99}...but that may be giving you a bit too much credit bc you're on the button, so he can talk himself into a wider range that includes (aqs,ak,aa,kk-99,89s+,"air") and your turn shove range at {aqh, ak, aa, kk,air}

i just think given your range it makes it hard for him to call with all but the best of his range

am i off here or do others agree..

Re: 5/10 turn shove?
 

been a couple hours, wondering if anyone has any comments on my hand ranges here and i feel like this is a fairly common situation that i'd like a decent answer to