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scpi10 10-19-2007 11:49 AM

So I 3 bet preflop with AKo...
 
and now I'm considering checking TPTK.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. UTG posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero?

I know it's a horrible idea. But I've seen villian raise 4 hands in this session prior to this and on each 1 he check folded to whomever cold called behind him after they bet. Only once did he bet and that was with KQ and he hit top pair.
Should I ever check against this type of villian?

KaatzMeow 10-19-2007 12:15 PM

Re: So I 3 bet preflop with AKo...
 
You probably have the best hand, bet for value, no free cards for SD or FD.

bozlax 10-19-2007 12:38 PM

Re: So I 3 bet preflop with AKo...
 
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...I've seen villian raise 4 hands in this session prior to this and on each 1 he check folded to whomever cold called behind him after they bet. Only once did he bet and that was with KQ and he hit top pair.

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Ok, so why does this make you start thinking that doing something -EV is a good idea? Is he going to put in bets when a blank falls on the turn? Does it make you happy if he does? How do you know he didn't also hit TP? How do you know he doesn't have a fd that he'll call down?

shuinthehouse 10-19-2007 12:45 PM

Re: So I 3 bet preflop with AKo...
 
There are a lot of combos of AT, AJ, AQ you are going to get paid off big with here and he often calls down 99-KK. If he's continuing to fold in this circumstance 3bet his raises with ATC and bet the flop until he catches on.

DaBizomb 10-19-2007 12:45 PM

Re: So I 3 bet preflop with AKo...
 
*grunch*

what happens when it checks through and a spade falls on the turn? are you going to check TPTK again? bet all day long

Bona 10-19-2007 12:56 PM

Re: So I 3 bet preflop with AKo...
 
Our hand is both powerful and vulnerable. Leading out is the right thing to do. Not leading out because we think our opponent plays incorrectly would be a serious mistake. Our goal is to play correctly and profit because our opponents do not.

scpi10 10-19-2007 12:58 PM

Re: So I 3 bet preflop with AKo...
 
Does it change anything if it were a rainbow flop?


If he bets the flop I have 2 options raise or call or wait for the turn b/c he is unlikely to bet anything but top pair.

If he checks the flop I can still lead the turn, giving him a chance to catch up if he doesn't have an A.

bravos1 10-19-2007 01:01 PM

Re: So I 3 bet preflop with AKo...
 
[ QUOTE ]

I know it's a horrible idea. But I've seen villian raise 4 hands in this session prior to this and on each 1 he check folded to whomever cold called behind him after they bet. Only once did he bet and that was with KQ and he hit top pair.
Should I ever check against this type of villian?

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Umm just bet. There are many Aces he can have here which you crush. If he folds.. oh well, you win the pot. If he is passive enough to c/f everytime but one after a PF raise, what are you hoping he does here? Do you really think he is going to bet his JJ or whatever? If he has AJ/AQ, he's gonna call your bet anyhow. Giving him free cards is bad.

Serious question : What is it that you are trying to accomplish by checking this flop and hoe does it help you?

DaBizomb 10-19-2007 01:07 PM

Re: So I 3 bet preflop with AKo...
 
well most likely he will miss the turn, and you will bet, and he will fold for a BB, when there's probably a better chance of him calling one SB on the flop. I don't see how you can talk yourself into anything other than betting here, maybe i'm missing something.

bravos1 10-19-2007 01:16 PM

Re: So I 3 bet preflop with AKo...
 
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If he checks the flop I can still lead the turn, giving him a chance to catch up if he doesn't have an A.

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What hands does he hold here that you want him to "catch-up" with?


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