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MattS 10-02-2007 10:04 PM

PLO8 $100: Big pot on the flop but not a big hand
 
Villain raises 7% of his hands preflop and has an aggression factor of 2 postflop.

Party Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Hi/Lo Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
10 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $187
MattS: $113.30
UTG+2: $84.20
MP1: $71.37
MP2: $44.62
MP3: $86.70
CO: $29.25
Button: $101.60
SB: $85.77
BB: $316.61

Pre-flop: (10 players) MattS is UTG+1 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">MattS raises to $3.5</font>, 3 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $19</font>, 2 folds, MattS calls, MP3 calls, CO folds.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($62, 3 players)
MattS checks, MP3 checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets $59</font>, <font color="#cc0000">MattS raises all-in $94.3</font>, MP3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button calls all-in $23.6</font>.
Uncalled bets: $11.7 returned to MattS.

I dunno 10-02-2007 11:13 PM

Re: PLO8 $100: Big pot on the flop but not a big hand
 
I think you're gonna be looking at aces a lot here. Most people's 3-betting range is significantly tighter than they're overall raising range.

Here's how you're doing agaisnt the top 5%

Against AALx

I think it's a fold, and maybe should have been a fold preflop once he raises you. You are too far behind when he has aces, and he's going to have them almost always barring a read.

bbartlog 10-03-2007 12:21 AM

Re: PLO8 $100: Big pot on the flop but not a big hand
 
Yeah, I would have to say this doesn't look good. 7% pfr is not real loose preflop, so like I dunno says, you're facing AAxx here a lot. It's always possible he has some sort of A2xx hand and is just trying to claim the pot once both opponents have checked to him, but even then you're probably just coinflipping. There is one guy I play against at this limit who loves to 3-bet with A23/A24 hands, and against him I'd call, but without a read, no...

rando 10-03-2007 01:22 AM

Re: PLO8 $100: Big pot on the flop but not a big hand
 
Not sure what you are hoping to accomplish with the push (FE not significant), not sure what you're trying to catch. Obviously there broadway hearts will look good, but low hearts lose probably at least half the pot (if not you're probably against AA anyway), and there are too many other dangerous combinations. My preflop raising percentage is similar to villain's and there isn't much aside from AAwx that I'm reraising like this in this spot... let alone the flop bet. You'd need a good read indeed to make this any kind of percentage play or playback opportunity.

BlueBear 10-03-2007 02:36 AM

Re: PLO8 $100: Big pot on the flop but not a big hand
 
Your hand is fairly strong preflop, but on this flop and against a non maniac 3-bettor, you have at best a speculative 1-way hand - especially since it's multiway action. I let this on go on the flop.

brian64 10-03-2007 10:32 AM

Re: PLO8 $100: Big pot on the flop but not a big hand
 
Is that hand really good enough to raise pre-flop sitting UTG+1 on a full table?

BlueBear 10-03-2007 10:48 AM

Re: PLO8 $100: Big pot on the flop but not a big hand
 
The decision to raise preflop is marginal, but there has considerable side-benefits the table image - players would not tag the raiser as a "nit" and may give him/her action. Having a wider raising range from early position would also make the initial raiser harder to read.

TheCount212 10-03-2007 02:34 PM

Re: PLO8 $100: Big pot on the flop but not a big hand
 
Solid.


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