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AlienBoy 01-25-2007 01:34 PM

9/18 live Commerce Flop top set
 
Fairly typical Commerce 9/18 game - I'm getting sucked out on and am stuck for about 2 racks UGH. I get QQ on the button. My image is hyper-aggressive as I raise alot.

Villain this time is probably among the best 3 players at the table - tight and aggressive. He's two to my right in mp3

A couple limpers, villain raises, I re-raise. Folds back to villain who calls.

Flop comes J6Q

Villain checks to me - do I bet? is this a good place to slowplay heads up?

Also, should I have gone for overcalls preflop, and just called villain's raise?


AB

mrcunningham 01-25-2007 02:04 PM

Re: 9/18 live Commerce Flop top set
 
PF: I think 3-bet is important as you don't want overcards hanging around, unless you actually think your going to get 6 callers which would give you set value.
Flop: The villain is tight and aggressive, so he probably has something given the MP raise. For example his range might be 99+, ATs, and AJ, which would mean a lot of the time he will not be folding here when you bet. Moreover, you would expect him to check-raise you with his AA, KK, JJ, AK, AQ, AJ, KQ, so that you can 3-bet him. Additionally, he would also expect you to continuation bet the flop, so he will likely call your bet or even raise your bet, giving you the opportunity to 3-bet. So I bet out the flop, and 3-bet a check raise. Lead the turn if he calls your bet.

Ricks 01-25-2007 02:08 PM

Re: 9/18 live Commerce Flop top set
 
Bet. You 3-bet pf and are expected to bet whether you have hit or not. Checking here would look extremely fishy and slowplaying these hands rarely gets the most money in the pot.

I almost always 3-bet QQ here. This is a strong hand and you want to get the limpers to put more money in or give up their dead money.

JJH3984 01-25-2007 02:10 PM

Re: 9/18 live Commerce Flop top set
 
bet if you like money, check if you don't.

NedForrest 01-25-2007 02:14 PM

Re: 9/18 live Commerce Flop top set
 
I agree. You should definitely bet there since a check would give your hand away. You have built up a good table image and now its time to use it. If he check raises I might think about slowplaying a bit more, depends on what you put him on. If he has JJ slowplaying is just horrible.

AlienBoy 01-25-2007 02:24 PM

Re: 9/18 live Commerce Flop top set
 
Okay - just checking. I bet of course, and he folded.

Just hate it when I'm stuck due to suck outs and then no one pays ME off... lol


AB

Grease 01-25-2007 03:21 PM

Re: 9/18 live Commerce Flop top set
 
I bet, because it would look fishy if you didn't. What would you 3-bet with PF that you wouldn't bet that flop with?

Monsters.

Keep your range broad and bet. If he raises, then I might just call and raise the turn, but if you had AK, you might 3-bet for a freebie.

How thinking is he? If he is a good hand reader, then you can be quite deceptive by being aggro.

TheHip41 01-25-2007 04:04 PM

Re: 9/18 live Commerce Flop top set
 
retarded post

Gazzbut 01-25-2007 04:15 PM

Re: 9/18 live Commerce Flop top set
 
You sir are a knob jockey of the highest order.

Chris Daddy Cool 01-25-2007 04:20 PM

Re: 9/18 live Commerce Flop top set
 
you have the nuts. put in as many bets as you can. there is zero reason to slowplay in an already pretty big pot and if he has AK you'll feel especially stupid as he will always peel there and if you give him a free look at his gutshot you'll want to stab your eyes out.


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