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Chaser8 11-23-2007 02:01 PM

Help me play opened-ended straight draws in position on the flop!
 
Villain's stats are 20/11/1.41. We have no history between us.

Full Tilt Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

UTG: $396
Hero (MP): $405.20
CO: $200.66
BTN: $595.50
SB: $390.20
BB: $408.10

CO posts $4
Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $16</font>, Hero calls $16, 3 folds, BB calls $12

Flop: ($54) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $40</font>, Hero calls or raises?

I'm torn between calling and raising. If I call and miss on the turn, he could fire another full barrel and force me to fold. If I raise, he could reraise all in, giving me crappy odds to call.

What to do?

berserk 11-23-2007 02:16 PM

Re: Help me play opened-ended straight draws in position on the flop!
 
call usually, you are allowed to shove over a turn bet sometimes (though probably not against this guy).

xorbie 11-23-2007 02:44 PM

Re: Help me play opened-ended straight draws in position on the flop!
 
just dont fold and its hard to [censored] this hand up.

KingGordy 11-23-2007 03:21 PM

Re: Help me play opened-ended straight draws in position on the flop!
 
I would either call or raise a committing amount ($160 or so). Against most players I would raise, but against this guy I favour calling since his pfr is relatively low so he's pretty likely to have a real hand raising UTG.

HERE_2_gamble_ 11-23-2007 03:36 PM

Re: Help me play opened-ended straight draws in position on the flop!
 
if he 2 bareels alot i like calling and raising most turns.

if hes nitty i dont mind call/call getting the right odds.

Chaser8 11-23-2007 03:40 PM

Re: Help me play opened-ended straight draws in position on the flop!
 
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I would either call or raise a committing amount ($160 or so). Against most players I would raise, but against this guy I favour calling since his pfr is relatively low so he's pretty likely to have a real hand raising UTG.

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So vs a villain showing 24/18 stats, you'd raise and commit yourself even if he raised UTG?

PartyScout 11-23-2007 03:51 PM

Re: Help me play opened-ended straight draws in position on the flop!
 
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I would either call or raise a committing amount ($160 or so). Against most players I would raise, but against this guy I favour calling since his pfr is relatively low so he's pretty likely to have a real hand raising UTG.

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So vs a villain showing 24/18 stats, you'd raise and commit yourself even if he raised UTG?

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Can you confirm villan stats?

In your OP you said"Villain's stats are 20/11/1.41. We have no history between us."

Chaser8 11-23-2007 03:54 PM

Re: Help me play opened-ended straight draws in position on the flop!
 
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I would either call or raise a committing amount ($160 or so). Against most players I would raise, but against this guy I favour calling since his pfr is relatively low so he's pretty likely to have a real hand raising UTG.

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So vs a hypothetical villain showing 24/18 stats, you'd raise and commit yourself even if he raised UTG?

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PartyScout 11-23-2007 04:00 PM

Re: Help me play opened-ended straight draws in position on the flop!
 
Cool.

Id be tempted to min raise the villan on the flop.This does quite a few things.It gains pot control for cheap and may also make your hand apear very strong as players sometimes minraise monsters.
If he calls we can check behind on turn and gain a free river.
Cheap draw yes and if he raise's flop it;s going to seem like a bad play but i feel the plays ok as sometimes your going to take this down on the flop in similair spots

KingGordy 11-23-2007 08:21 PM

Re: Help me play opened-ended straight draws in position on the flop!
 
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I would either call or raise a committing amount ($160 or so). Against most players I would raise, but against this guy I favour calling since his pfr is relatively low so he's pretty likely to have a real hand raising UTG.

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So vs a villain showing 24/18 stats, you'd raise and commit yourself even if he raised UTG?

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Actually come to think of it maybe not, since this is a 3 way pot any bet he makes automatically represents a little more strength. I think most of what I said applies to heads up pots or vs. a non UTG raiser.


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