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Worm75 08-15-2007 11:46 PM

Lets Play along...I have Rockets and a Fish just led out??25nl
 
Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $31.40
BB: $17.95
UTG: $25.55
MP: $27.65
CO: $25.00
Hero (BTN): $48.60

Reads: <font color="blue">Villain is running 30/5/5, and haven't really tangled with him a whole lot.

I've been one of the more active players at the table from late position, trying to isolate the fish in the BB. But I've shown down several big hands when the money got to showdown. And am running like 27/24 over about 80 hands.</font>

I think this kind of discussion really brings out some interesting lines to play with a hand like this, we'll go street by street and discuss the merits of raising/calling/folding...

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
2 folds, CO calls $0.25, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.25</font>, SB calls $1.15, 2 folds

Flop: ($3) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $0.75</font>

KEW 08-15-2007 11:50 PM

Re: Lets Play along...I have Rockets and a Fish just led out??25nl
 
RAISE flop is to drawy to slowplay...

filsteal 08-16-2007 12:15 AM

Re: Lets Play along...I have Rockets and a Fish just led out??25nl
 
Raise to at least $4.50.

mvdgaag 08-16-2007 12:58 AM

Re: Lets Play along...I have Rockets and a Fish just led out??25nl
 
I like to raise to $3. The plan would be to put in another $10 on a safe turn and the rest on the river regardless (that would be about $17 in a $29 pot on the river, so we are committing by betting the turn)

If we raise less its hard to commit on a safe turn and get it in by the river. If we raise more we lose more the times the turn is unsafe.

Of course when we get unexpected action we are proceeding cautiously.

Worm75 08-16-2007 01:31 AM

Re: Lets Play along...I have Rockets and a Fish just led out??25nl
 
Go ahead and flame, but on boards like this I often wait to raise the turn if a card comes that doesn't complete any of the draws here...btw this may be a leak, but would like to hear some opinion for either way.

What is heros line on the turn??

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
2 folds, CO calls $0.25, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.25</font>, SB calls $1.15, 2 folds

Flop: ($3) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $0.75</font>, Hero calls $0.75

Turn: ($4.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $2.25</font>

mvdgaag 08-16-2007 01:41 AM

Re: Lets Play along...I have Rockets and a Fish just led out??25nl
 
Too bad we didn't raise the flop. SB is either valuebetting small or pricing himself in. I feel the bets are weak and we are ahead most of the time.

I raise to $9 and fold to a reraise. We will be left with about $20 effective stacks in a $22.50 pot on the river to get it allin.

Rounder101 08-16-2007 01:43 AM

Re: Lets Play along...I have Rockets and a Fish just led out??25nl
 
Flop is an ABSOLUTE raise.
Turn, I feel raising is now more expensive to see where we are standing,in case he has a real hand, but I would still raise it and bump it to something like 7. If called I check behind him on the river and reevaluate if he bets.
I think calling would not be terrible, but I prefer raising.

EMc 08-16-2007 02:28 AM

Re: Lets Play along...I have Rockets and a Fish just led out??25nl
 
WRT to waiting for the turn,

This is a play I ahve advoated in certain situations. It will allow us to exploit a bigger equity edge and should doom come, we can release.

i.e. A FD has 33 equity on the flop, 20 on the turn, making ours higher. Its more of a limit play, and I only use it occusionally, probably against a solid player not against a station.

However, I use it only occusionally, and dont like it here, Im bombing this flop and then getting AI on the turn.

corsakh 08-16-2007 02:46 AM

Re: Lets Play along...I have Rockets and a Fish just led out??25nl
 
Fist pump and raise.

Worm75 08-16-2007 03:23 AM

Re: Lets Play along...I have Rockets and a Fish just led out??25nl
 
[ QUOTE ]
WRT to waiting for the turn,

This is a play I ahve advoated in certain situations. It will allow us to exploit a bigger equity edge and should doom come, we can release.

i.e. A FD has 33 equity on the flop, 20 on the turn, making ours higher. Its more of a limit play, and I only use it occusionally, probably against a solid player not against a station.

However, I use it only occusionally, and dont like it here, Im bombing this flop and then getting AI on the turn.

[/ QUOTE ]

I agree, my normal line is to raise a drawy flop like this, but so far this one had been pretty passive in all our pots together. Pretty much check fold.

As played what is our action on the turn?? Because this is where the hand actually gets interesting for me.


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