[2.25] KK in BB against lots of limpers/ ugly flop.
 

Nobody here is capable of folding. Not to mention, this is my 1st hand I decided to get in with. Obviously I have a tight image, but IDK if that matters.....

I am really interested in how the community would play this different so I can improve. Thanks...


Full Tilt Poker(18 player)2.25
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t40/t80
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t1535
UTG+1: t4160
CO: t1345
Button: t2020
SB: t2865
Hero: t1345

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls t80 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t120)</font>, UTG+1 calls t80 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t200)</font>, CO calls t80 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t280)</font>, Button folds, SB calls t80 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t360)</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to t385</font>, UTG calls t305 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t665)</font>, UTG+1 calls t305 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t970)</font>, CO folds, SB calls t305 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t1275)</font>.

(would you raise more here?)

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t1620, 4 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero is all-in t960</font>, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t960 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t2580)</font>, SB folds.

(What should I do here?)

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t3540, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t3540)


River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t3540, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t3540)


Results: IN WHITE(highlight)
Final pot: t3540
<font color="#ffffff">Hero showed Ks Kd</font>
<font color="#ffffff">UTG+1 showed 8c Qc</font>

Re: [2.25] KK in BB against lots of limpers/ ugly flop.
 

I think I might just shove this pf. You've got ~400 in the pot before you bet. You've got to raise at least 400 (so yes, I'd raise a little more) to be meaningful. So now you've got at least a third of your stack in there and each call makes it more likely that the next player will call on odds alone in a huge pot. And like you said, you're not folding. Just shove it.

Re: [2.25] KK in BB against lots of limpers/ ugly flop.
 

Firstly, I would hate a shove PF, huge hand there. QQ might be a better shove. On these stakes you'll easily average &gt;500 chips per KK you pick up in total on any level, and that's not in there (yet, anyway)

I think the raise is kind of small. I think you should raise atleast 450 here and that is if you want action. I kind of want to make it 550 and shove any flop.

You're not getting away on the flop, shove is fine, but try to raise a bit more to get it heads up etc..

Re: [2.25] KK in BB against lots of limpers/ ugly flop.
 

You need to raise more PF- in the range of t500. You only have t1300, and the pot is already t360. Shove PF. From your read, someone will probably still call.

Re: [2.25] KK in BB against lots of limpers/ ugly flop.
 

If you raise it pf to 550, and get even one call your flop bet is only slightly more than half the pot. I want this heads up and I'm not sure 550 gets it there. If a shove takes it down, fine. The pot's already 25% of our stack, that's a good win.

Re: [2.25] KK in BB against lots of limpers/ ugly flop.
 

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Firstly, I would hate a shove PF, huge hand there. QQ might be a better shove. On these stakes you'll easily average &gt;500 chips per KK you pick up in total on any level, and that's not in there (yet, anyway)

I think the raise is kind of small. I think you should raise atleast 450 here and that is if you want action. I kind of want to make it 550 and shove any flop.

You're not getting away on the flop, shove is fine, but try to raise a bit more to get it heads up etc..

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I feel that an AI bet here would still have gotten a caller, but I am not sure Q8s would have came along.

But my feeling is, if I know I am getting it in Post flop, maybe a push here is not all that bad.

I just hate sticking it in w/16BB pre flop, when, I may get more value post flop...still early on, ye know?

Re: [2.25] KK in BB against lots of limpers/ ugly flop.
 

i didn't read anything but OP, but ffs just stop being results oriented.

he stacks off on a Qxx flop too and this doesn't get posted. hand is ridiculously standard, with the exception of the preflop raise which could have been a bit more. But the gist of the hand, which is raising preflop, shoving a non-ace flop, is standard.

Re: [2.25] KK in BB against lots of limpers/ ugly flop.
 

Pushing is fine pf, but i feel raising gets more value. I don't mind raising half my stack and sticking it in any non-A flop if villians are really loose like you say.

Re: [2.25] KK in BB against lots of limpers/ ugly flop.
 

I'd raise to t450-500 PF. I like the flop...

Re: [2.25] KK in BB against lots of limpers/ ugly flop.
 

4 limpers = ~7x BB raise = ~ t525 - t560.

That's what I'm raising to if I'm not shoving preflop, but I would just shove, because this doesn't leave you all that much of a bet relative to the pot on the flop with1 or even 2 callers.