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RobA 12-22-2006 02:46 AM

T9s in BB, HU
 
I'm sure this is basic for most of you. Just please let me know the standard line for this hand.

10-20 in AC.

CO is a regular. I'm pretty sure that he's a winner in the game, but not 100% sure. He has seemed kind of laggy at times, but he always seems to have a lot of chips. Today we've been playing for about 30 minutes and all I've seen him do is raise preflop with TT, bet through the hand, and win.

He probably thinks I'm tight and play straightforwardly.

Folded to CO who raises. I call in the BB with T9s (clubs). Flop is T64, 2 spades 1 diamond. I CR, he calls. Turn is 6 of hearts. I bet, he raises, I call. River is 2 of heart. I check/call. He shows QQ. It felt stupid.

I'd appreciate comments on any/all streets.

peterchi 12-22-2006 02:57 AM

Re: T9s in BB, HU
 
I'd probably fold to the turn raise. Especially since it's live, even if he is a little laggy. And actually, with that in mind, he could easily have a 6 in his opening range from CO.

peterchi 12-22-2006 02:58 AM

Re: T9s in BB, HU
 
However, next time don't tell us what he had yet. Who knows if I'd have said the same thing or not.

mr pink 12-22-2006 03:22 AM

Re: T9s in BB, HU
 
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River is 2 of heart. I check/call. He shows QQ. It felt stupid.


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yeah, it happens. but when a tight/solid player pops you on the turn in this situation, putting him on an overpair is usually the safe play and you should act accordingly (check/folding the river). especially at mid limit games where you'll see a lot less bs.

GuyOnTilt 12-22-2006 07:48 AM

Re: T9s in BB, HU
 
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putting him on an overpair is usually the safe play and you should act accordingly (check/folding the river)

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LOL?

GiantBuddha 12-22-2006 10:21 AM

Re: T9s in BB, HU
 
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putting him on an overpair is usually the safe play and you should act accordingly (check/folding the river)

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Either fold the turn or call the river, especially when a blank falls. He's either got you beat and you've got two outs (or three if he has bigger tens), or he's making a turn move perhaps with a flush draw. I think calling the turn and folding the river makes no sense.

aK13 12-23-2006 12:30 AM

Re: T9s in BB, HU
 
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putting him on an overpair is usually the safe play and you should act accordingly (check/folding the river)

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Either fold the turn or call the river, especially when a blank falls. He's either got you beat and you've got two outs (or three if he has bigger tens), or he's making a turn move perhaps with a flush draw. I think calling the turn and folding the river makes no sense.

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Raising for free showdown with overs, and there's also these things called outs.

Bill King 12-23-2006 02:59 AM

Re: T9s in BB, HU
 
i think folding on the turn is exploitable if he's got any kind of brain.. but if he's a b&m nit then folding to a turn raise is ok.

GiantBuddha 12-23-2006 11:25 AM

Re: T9s in BB, HU
 
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there's also these things called outs.

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When the sixes paired, you lost three outs, unless he had tens with you, in which case you only ever had three outs. Best case scenario: you're getting 7 to 1 on a 14 to 1 shot. More likely you're 22 to 1. So you're not drawing here.

On the river, you're getting 9 to 1. If he raises the turn with overs, does he never bluff the end? Not even 10%? And if you do fold here, now he can bluff the end in the future against you.

I really think folding the end here is one of those "great folds" which allows other players to take advantage of you.

vmacosta 12-23-2006 09:56 PM

Re: T9s in BB, HU
 
Unless you know for sure he's a habitual "free showdown" spewer, this is avery easy fold on turn, especially at this limit. Pot is small and you have few outs. Even if he's decent and its a higher limit, its still a fold on the river.


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