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sfetaz 11-27-2007 07:32 PM

AA late, paired board and opponent is betting
 
Both opponents are between 30 and 40 VP$P, less than 10% PFR and TAF under 2

Full Tilt 0.50/1 Hold'em (7 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (13 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, UTG calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, BB calls $0.10 (All-In), UTG calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (15.60 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players, 1 all-in)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, Hero calls, UTG folds.

River: (17.60 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 19.60 BB

knockonwood 11-27-2007 07:39 PM

Re: AA late, paired board and opponent is betting
 
There basically has to be a 5% chance that he has KK or AA here to call on the river.

I'd probably find a fold on the turn after MP1 donks it.

robrobdoe 11-27-2007 10:31 PM

Re: AA late, paired board and opponent is betting
 
As above, I would fold the turn. The all-in BB could easily be ahead anyway, and after MP1 donks I can't imagine what you could beat.

tiltaholic 11-27-2007 11:43 PM

Re: AA late, paired board and opponent is betting
 
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Both opponents are between 30 and 40 VP$P, less than 10% PFR and TAF under 2

Full Tilt 0.50/1 Hold'em (7 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (13 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, UTG calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, BB calls $0.10 (All-In), UTG calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (15.60 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players, 1 all-in)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, Hero calls, UTG folds.

River: (17.60 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 19.60 BB

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i'd just call down and play the next hand in the absence of an actual read.

TimovieMan 11-28-2007 05:22 AM

Re: AA late, paired board and opponent is betting
 
Don't see anything wrong with this hand, especially given the absence of real reads.
Both villains appear to be sLAGs, so they're not really doing much out of the ordinary here.
Call down as played, make notes on BB and MP1.

Mitke 11-28-2007 05:34 AM

Re: AA late, paired board and opponent is betting
 
[ QUOTE ]
As above, I would fold the turn. The all-in BB could easily be ahead anyway, and after MP1 donks I can't imagine what you could beat.

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Players low on chips often make desperate moves with the last their last chips so him shoving them in doesn't necessarily mean anything more than a FD, Jx or pocket pair - it's often a Qx too.

I don't mind the call-down from the turn in a pot this big. Thin at best though.

LukeSLTS 11-28-2007 09:24 AM

Re: AA late, paired board and opponent is betting
 
This is a large pot by the time the Q hits the turn. However, MP1 has done nothing but call until he donks the turn. With passive players they only do this with a queen. Even though I know this I still call down because 15BB is enough for me hope the other player is getting out of line.

Point Blank 11-28-2007 03:12 PM

Re: AA late, paired board and opponent is betting
 
you should include that BB is short stacked in your intro ...

i would imagine an aggressive opponent would be raising the flop with top pair a large % of the time (and BB is easily stacking off) ... i think this is a pretty standard call down (I can't see raising the turn, nor folding)

Riku 11-28-2007 03:41 PM

Re: AA late, paired board and opponent is betting
 
Pot's pretty big, call and hope for the best.

neurotiq 11-28-2007 03:42 PM

Re: AA late, paired board and opponent is betting
 
This looks fine to me. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]


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