22 NLTRN - 99 first hand
 

First hand in a $22 on FTP. This happened this morning.

I have 99 and raise three times the big blind from the button. The SB pushes.

I...?

Re: 22 NLTRN - 99 first hand
 

call.

It's such a ridiculous play that you are significantly ahead of his range imo.

Re: 22 NLTRN - 99 first hand
 

If he has at least two overcards here close to 100% of the time do you still call this early in the tournament.

Say he is a player who plays AA and KK like this never, 10-QQ 25% of the time, and two overs the other 75%. Then it is a clear fold, yes?

Re: 22 NLTRN - 99 first hand
 

There's definitely always going to be a chance that these first hand shovers will have ATC or more precisely at least one card below your 9 is in a significant part of their range to where you have to include it.

It's the lower end of what I'd call with but I would call.

Re: 22 NLTRN - 99 first hand
 

Not first hand but found it somewhat relevant.

PokerStars Game #11033655262: Tournament #55954574, $20+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2007/07/20 - 03:42:43 (ET)
Table '55954574 2' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: RyPac13 (1375 in chips)
Seat 2: STROKEHORSE (1625 in chips)
RyPac13: posts small blind 10
STROKEHORSE: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to RyPac13 [Ad Jh]
RyPac13: raises 40 to 60
STROKEHORSE: raises 1565 to 1625 and is all-in
RyPac13: calls 1315 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [8d 2s Kh]
*** TURN *** [8d 2s Kh] [Kd]
*** RIVER *** [8d 2s Kh Kd] [2d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
STROKEHORSE: shows [2h Qd] (a full house, Deuces full of Kings)
RyPac13: shows [Ad Jh] (two pair, Kings and Deuces)
STROKEHORSE collected 2750 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2750 | Rake 0
Board [8d 2s Kh Kd 2d]
Seat 1: RyPac13 (button) (small blind) showed [Ad Jh] and lost with two pair, Kings and Deuces
Seat 2: STROKEHORSE (big blind) showed [2h Qd] and won (2750) with a full house, Deuces full of Kings

Re: 22 NLTRN - 99 first hand
 

easy fold imho.

The best thing u can get is a coinflip against AQ or something.
I cant see him pushing with something u have dominated...

Re: 22 NLTRN - 99 first hand
 

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easy fold imho.

The best thing u can get is a coinflip against AQ or something.
I cant see him pushing with something u have dominated...

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this is ridiculous. your argument is assuming that everyone plays optimally. at the 22 dollar level you are going to see some crazy hands in this spot. chicagory's was a 55, but its a good example. if he's dumb enough to try to lose as much value as possible with 1010+ then whatever. you are going to see Ax/lower pair/atc way more often than a big pair.

99 is on the lower end of my calling range (88+/AQ+), but without a read I think folding is terrible.

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99 is on the lower end of my calling range (88+/AQ+), but without a read I think folding is terrible.

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a fold here without reads is terrible

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easy fold imho.

The best thing u can get is a coinflip against AQ or something.
I cant see him pushing with something u have dominated...

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this is ridiculous. your argument is assuming that everyone plays optimally. at the 22 dollar level you are going to see some crazy hands in this spot. chicagory's was a 55, but its a good example. if he's dumb enough to try to lose as much value as possible with 1010+ then whatever. you are going to see Ax/lower pair/atc way more often than a big pair.

99 is on the lower end of my calling range (88+/AQ+), but without a read I think folding is terrible.

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I agree with this.

Any pair under 88 and you start coinflipping the vast majority of starting hands.

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99 is on the lower end of my calling range (88+/AQ+), but without a read I think folding is terrible.

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a fold here without reads is terrible

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I disagree. I think it's a call, but a fold here isn't terrible IMO.