50NL - Post/special - Line Check
 

everyone is unknown. what line are u taking? (comments welcome on flop minR as well)

1st hand at table obvi...



Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BTN: $73.70
SB: $3.10
BB: $19.75
UTG: $19.50
UTG+1: $49.50
UTG+2: $50
MP1: $57.95
MP2: $45.80
Hero (CO): $50

UTG+2 posts $0.50
Hero posts $0.50
Pre-Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
2 folds, UTG+2 checks, 2 folds, Hero checks, BTN calls $0.50, SB calls $0.25, BB checks

Flop: ($2.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $2.60 and is All-In</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $5.20</font>, BTN calls $5.20

Turn: ($15.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players - 1 is All-In)
<font color="red">Hero ???

Re: 50NL - Post/special - Line Check
 

Check/fold.

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a lil bit of reasoning might help...

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I would raise a little more on the flop, to like $7, but this isn't a huge deal IMO.

Button cold-calls, which usually sets off alarm bells from an unknown. Cold-calling type hands are usually made hands like a flush or set in this case or something like Ad+pair.

The turn looks good for you, but the only hand I can see the button having that you are still ahead of is Ad7x.

Check/folding with trips + meh FD seems weak, but I think that might be the correct line here? A set just boated, AQ/KQ/QJ/QT are ahead of you (the non-Q in this part of his range is probably a diamond most of the time), and a flush is still ahead of you.

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a lil bit of reasoning might help...

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Any reasonable Queen is ahead of you. Ace of diamonds can't (or shouldn't) bluff too often here because the sidepot is pretty small and not worth it. Betting Q9 is essentially the same as betting 87. It's a bluff which beats a lone Ace of diamonds. If you would bet 87 in this spot, go ahead and bet here. If not, check.

EDIT: I'm thinking check-call is better now. I stoved some and here's what I got.

Board: Qc Qd 7d 2d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 45.402% 43.50% 01.90% 823 36.00 { Qh9d }
Hand 1: 54.598% 52.70% 01.90% 997 36.00 { 77, 33, AdTd, Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad6d, Ad5d, Ad4d, Ad3d, KQs, KdJd, KdTd, QTs+, JdTd, Td9d, Td8d, 9d8d, 8d7d, 8d6d, 7d6d, 6d5d, 6d4d, 5d4d, 5d3d, 43s, Ad7c, Ad7h, Ad7s, KQo, QTo+ }

Sorry bout that. lol I suck @ three-flush flops.

Re: 50NL - Post/special - Line Check
 

It's quite close here, first u can't be sure your Queen is the best hand on the flop, but it's not a bad play to raise on the flop

turn b/f, something like 10$ you won't get a raise from a hand you've got beat
river, if he calls and no diamon comes out and u don't imrpove to a boat - bet again something like 10$ (a blockbet) and fold again against a raise

it's also possible to play check/call on the river, but against an unknown i would prefer a blockbet

Re: 50NL - Post/special - Line Check
 

I think a coldcall here is Ad a lot more than people are suggesting. Is someone really slowplaying a set, 2p on this board? A higher Q is possible but I think we see Ad a lot here.

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The vast majority of 50nl slowplays their monsters.

I think a half-pot lead is best here, 8-9, for an easy b/f. If you make it to the river unimproved c/c most reasonable bets.

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I c/f the flop.

Is there really much value in playing a multi-way unraised pot with top-pair-crap-kicker-chity-draw?

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I c/f the flop.

Is there really much value in playing a multi-way unraised pot with top-pair-crap-kicker-chity-draw?

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[img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] I thought this was already assumed

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I c/f the flop.

Is there really much value in playing a multi-way unraised pot with top-pair-crap-kicker-chity-draw?

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ummm....cant c/f here. an there is value...just slim/high variance value

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I would raise this preflop with just the EP poster on the CO since we are getting into the whole hand.

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I would raise this preflop with just the EP poster on the CO since we are getting into the whole hand.

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surprised it took 2 pages for this to get said. i decided not to cuz the blind was so short (he had what my raise wud have been), which wud have given limper odds on the way back. and even tho im in position, id prefer 87 rather than Q9o...

i normally wud attack from this spot

Re: 50NL - Post/special - Line Check
 

SB is either going to be super loose with this stack +EV, or really tight with this stack still +EV. I would still iso the poster because he is folding pre a vast majority. Hes also folding flops imo.

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lol...im dumb. didnt even see it was a poster over there. thought it was a limp. i suck

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I'm not sure by how much, but our equity's definitely a little worse against a range with 22 instead of 33.

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I stoved some and here's what I got.

Board: Qc Qd 7d 2d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 45.402% 43.50% 01.90% 823 36.00 { Qh9d }
Hand 1: 54.598% 52.70% 01.90% 997 36.00 { 77, 33, AdTd, Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad6d, Ad5d, Ad4d, Ad3d, KQs, KdJd, KdTd, QTs+, JdTd, Td9d, Td8d, 9d8d, 8d7d, 8d6d, 7d6d, 6d5d, 6d4d, 5d4d, 5d3d, 43s, Ad7c, Ad7h, Ad7s, KQo, QTo+ }

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I'm not sure by how much, but our equity's definitely a little worse against a range with 22 instead of 33.

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I stoved some and here's what I got.

Board: Qc Qd 7d 2d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 45.402% 43.50% 01.90% 823 36.00 { Qh9d }
Hand 1: 54.598% 52.70% 01.90% 997 36.00 { 77, 33, AdTd, Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad6d, Ad5d, Ad4d, Ad3d, KQs, KdJd, KdTd, QTs+, JdTd, Td9d, Td8d, 9d8d, 8d7d, 8d6d, 7d6d, 6d5d, 6d4d, 5d4d, 5d3d, 43s , Ad7c, Ad7h, Ad7s, KQo, QTo+ }

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It'd also be nice if he didn't have any old 43 suited too. LOL. Here.

Board: Qc Qd 7d 2d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 30.467% 28.26% 02.21% 460 36.00 { Qh9d }
Hand 1: 69.533% 67.32% 02.21% 1096 36.00 { 77, 22, AdTd, Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad6d, Ad5d, Ad4d, Ad3d, KQs, KdJd, KdTd, QTs+, JdTd, Td8d, 8d7d, 8d6d, 6d5d, 6d4d, 5d4d, 5d3d, 4d3d, Ad7c, Ad7h, Ad7s, KQo, QTo+ }

I knew it couldn't be right that we were in that good of shape.

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I c/f the flop.

Is there really much value in playing a multi-way unraised pot with top-pair-crap-kicker-chity-draw?

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ummm....cant c/f here. an there is value...just slim/high variance value

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Let's get into why you can't c/f this flop? You're invested nothing, and you're hand isn't that great.

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I would raise this preflop with just the EP poster on the CO since we are getting into the whole hand.

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surprised it took 2 pages for this to get said. i decided not to cuz the blind was so short (he had what my raise wud have been), which wud have given limper odds on the way back. and even tho im in position, id prefer 87 rather than Q9o...

i normally wud attack from this spot

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Q9o &gt;&gt; 87s allin vs wide ranges

getting Q9o AI for 5bb getting 9/5 is +EV

Re: 50NL - Post/special - Line Check
 

I think one of the main reasons he can't c/f the flop is because somebody already bet and he has yet to act. Hard to check-fold when you can't check.

Seriously though, he's getting big time pot odds to call. With four people to act behind, this could be a fold. But with one? You're spewing if you don't call.

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I think one of the main reasons he can't c/f the flop is because somebody already bet and he has yet to act. Hard to check-fold when you can't check.

Seriously though, he's getting big time pot odds to call. With four people to act behind, this could be a fold. But with one? You're spewing if you don't call.

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bingo, and bingo

and Bottomset...i wasnt worried about gettin Q9o being good/bad against the shortstack. it was about creating a 15bb main pot, with no side pot, against what i thought was an EP limp from an unknown (again...didnt see that EP person was poster, thought they limped)

Re: 50NL - Post/special - Line Check
 

bump

Re: 50NL - Post/special - Line Check
 

I either Fold this on the flop or if I fire the flop, b/f turn and c/c or c/f river. Mostly for reasons already stated.