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subtracticus 10-06-2007 06:49 PM

10NL: Is my line here terrible?
 
No reads on the villain.

I'm learning and trying to improve my game, so any help is appreciated:

1) How is my check/call on this flop? I'd normally c-bet but with 4 players, overcards, and a flush draw I checked. Then his bet was so weak I felt I had to call.

2) I checked the turn thinking villain would put in another weak bet and I would check-raise, but in hindsight I'm thinking I should've bet out.

3) My thinking on the river was that my play in the hand already looks weak, so I bet weak figuring I can get a worse hand to raise me. Am I way off here?

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

MP2: $19.55
CO: $11.75
BTN: $4.80
SB: $3.80
BB: $1.85
UTG: $4.10
UTG+1: $14.20
UTG+2: $5.20
Hero (MP1): $9.85

Pre-Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP1)
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $0.10, UTG+2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.45</font>, MP2 folds, CO calls $0.45, BTN folds, SB calls $0.40, BB folds, UTG+1 calls $0.35

Flop: ($1.90) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 Players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $0.60</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.60

Turn: ($3.10) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($3.10) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $1</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $2</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $6</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $10</font>, Hero calls $2.80 and is All-In

Teddie 10-06-2007 07:08 PM

Re: 10NL: Is my line here terrible?
 
Fold flop.

As played bet the turn. The fact he bet so weak on the flop seems to me he doesnt like his hand a huge amount so bet about $2 and hope he cant fold.

The donk on the river is awful, unless he has a jack he is never raising. As soon as he raises put it all in. Raising too $6 and leaving $3 behind is nuts.

SoreNuts 10-06-2007 07:41 PM

Re: 10NL: Is my line here terrible?
 
luckily some got it AI for you lol

Sounded Simple 10-06-2007 07:48 PM

Re: 10NL: Is my line here terrible?
 
Agree with teddie.
Your not getting the odds on the flop to draw to two outs.

As played, when you do hit you need to bet to build the pot (possibly for a river shove) and also to protet against draws.

RapidEvolution 10-06-2007 11:49 PM

Re: 10NL: Is my line here terrible?
 
I'm usually not one to shut down right away after I've raised preflop (unless it's a flop like this and flop action is bet, raise before it gets to me), so I'd bet the flop here (It's what I'd do if I had a high pair). As played, fold the flop...why call? Expecting a 6?

Okay lol now that the 6 came down, get some value out of the mofo!! Betting 3 on the turn punishes the draws and gets money in the pot. River line depends on reads. Either bet pot, or check raise if you think he'll try to take it down with a missed draw.

Chargers In 07 10-06-2007 11:51 PM

Re: 10NL: Is my line here terrible?
 
[ QUOTE ]
I'm usually not one to shut down right away after I've raised preflop

[/ QUOTE ]QJx two tone board against 3 people and you don't shut down???...

OP just c/f the flop, bet turn, bet at least $2 on the river.

br.bm 10-07-2007 12:29 AM

Re: 10NL: Is my line here terrible?
 
the flop call really sucks
you raised preflop now cbet
as played:
I'd b/3b the turn to protect and get value.
on the river: well ... you caught runner runner full house, this is NL10, ship it

AlexB182 10-07-2007 06:17 AM

Re: 10NL: Is my line here terrible?
 
I really don't think a CB on this flop should be mandatory, and I'm CBing a hell lot. Yet, there are flops and certain situations (as this one) where a CB simply does not make too much sense. I c/f here on the flop and continue after the miracle card as other posters explained.

hielo_uno 10-07-2007 09:16 AM

Re: 10NL: Is my line here terrible?
 
CB into 3 people with that board at this stake is just stupid. I dont like how the flop is played, folding is def best but its not a huge mistake. I lead the turn here to built the pot up.

Did the villain have a boat also? QJ maybe?


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