Turning a made hand into a bluff vs Kenny Rap
 

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Poker Stars, $1,000 + $50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 50/100 Blinds, 9 Players
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CO: 2,100
BTN: 1,630
SB: 4,463
BB: 6,425
UTG: 4,262
UTG+1: 8,303
Hero (UTG+2): 4,400
MP1: 5,928
MP2: 3,607

Pre-Flop: (150) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG+2)
UTG folds, <font color="red">UTG+1 raises to 303</font>, Hero calls 303, 6 folds

Flop: (756) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks

Turn: (756) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG+1 bets 300</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to 1,150</font>, UTG+1 calls 850

River: (3,056) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG+1 checks, <font color="red">Hero bets 2,947 and is All-In</font>

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I like this line a lot if it doesnt come a heart river. Because now you are representing a full house exactly. Correct me if I'm wrong but do you push this river with a bare 8? Im certainly not pushing it with a decent K and not sure I like a push here with KJ either.

Am I the only 1 who prefers a bet of about 14-1500 here? Either way, its a tough river to continue on I think.

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Preflop is kinda marginal imo. It also seems ur line is repping a very narrow range of hands too

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I like this line a lot if it doesnt come a heart river. Because now you are representing a full house exactly. Correct me if I'm wrong but do you push this river with a bare 8? Im certainly not pushing it with a decent K and not sure I like a push here with KJ either.

Am I the only 1 who prefers a bet of about 14-1500 here? Either way, its a tough river to continue on I think.

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hes def pushing an 8

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he would def push an 8 thats a no brainer, but what hands is he CC preflop that have an 8 in them and then take this line, 88 is the only hand. I feel like hero is repping 88, JJ, AQhh and thats it, it could still get villain to fold, I just think it is very marginal

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If I'm Kenny, I'm looking at my AK and thinking wtf?

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The problem is preflop, having called a raise from UTG+1 in UTG+2, original raiser can basically discredit any chance of you having 8. You're not calling a raise pre here with any hand containing an 8 other than 88.

Secondly, its v unlikely you smooth called in such early pos with KK. JJ is more plausible. KJ v unlikely.

My point being, on this turn, there are basically only 2 hands you are representing. AK and JJ. So when it comes to the river and you push, although Ak is still in your range here, your range has basically been reduced to one hand, JJ (dont get me wrong, there is certainly still value in AK push here I feel).

If Kenny Rap is any good Im sure he calls you down pretty light here.

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The problem is preflop, having called a raise from UTG+1 in UTG+2, original raiser can basically discredit any chance of you having 8. You're not calling a raise pre here with any hand containing an 8 other than 88.

Secondly, its v unlikely you smooth called in such early pos with KK. JJ is more plausible. KJ v unlikely.

My point being, on this turn, there are basically only 2 hands you are representing. AK and JJ. So when it comes to the river and you push, although Ak is still in your range here, your range has basically been reduced to one hand, JJ (dont get me wrong, there is certainly still value in AK push here I feel).

If Kenny Rap is any good Im sure he calls you down pretty light here.

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Agreed, villains play is a bit illogical with most hands and the hand range he is representing is a bit too narrow.

I would almost never call on the turn and check fold the river here.

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The turn raise is all kinds of terrible once you get to the river its a good shove.

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didnt read post but i dont rly bluff kenny rap v much.

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didnt read post but i dont rly bluff kenny rap v much.

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ding ding ding...

would be shocked if this worked but who knows

Re: Turning a made hand into a bluff vs Kenny Rap
 

you got the right idea but dont think board texture is quite right

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I don't really like it. I could see him thinking that you have to be pretty strong preflop Re: stack sizes and not expecting you to turn a hand like 99 into a bluff, so he has to assume you're strong.

But he can often be pretty strong checking this flop, and you took a line that most random goodish players never fold anything to.

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i dont rly bluff kenny rap v much.

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this about sums up my experience with said villain

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Sigh

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i dont really see how he can call given he doesnt know much about you. the flush got there and you could definitely have jacks. does he play AK for stacks here? i likes it

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i think you are more effectively representing AA than anything else imo

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hate the turn...love the river.

turn...are u trying to get better hands to fold or worse hands to call?

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The turn raise is all kinds of terrible once you get to the river its a good shove.

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FWIW I think bet/bet/bet is a pretty good bluff line to take here unless you think he will c/c three streets with AK or AA here.

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why are u raising turn? dont make sense