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Split Suit 11-27-2007 07:26 PM

50NL - Post/special - Line Check
 
everyone is unknown. what line are u taking? (comments welcome on flop minR as well)

1st hand at table obvi...



Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BTN: $73.70
SB: $3.10
BB: $19.75
UTG: $19.50
UTG+1: $49.50
UTG+2: $50
MP1: $57.95
MP2: $45.80
Hero (CO): $50

UTG+2 posts $0.50
Hero posts $0.50
Pre-Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
2 folds, UTG+2 checks, 2 folds, Hero checks, BTN calls $0.50, SB calls $0.25, BB checks

Flop: ($2.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $2.60 and is All-In</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $5.20</font>, BTN calls $5.20

Turn: ($15.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players - 1 is All-In)
<font color="red">Hero ???

AllTheCheese 11-27-2007 07:28 PM

Re: 50NL - Post/special - Line Check
 
Check/fold.

Split Suit 11-27-2007 07:36 PM

Re: 50NL - Post/special - Line Check
 
a lil bit of reasoning might help...

illini43 11-27-2007 07:37 PM

Re: 50NL - Post/special - Line Check
 
I would raise a little more on the flop, to like $7, but this isn't a huge deal IMO.

Button cold-calls, which usually sets off alarm bells from an unknown. Cold-calling type hands are usually made hands like a flush or set in this case or something like Ad+pair.

The turn looks good for you, but the only hand I can see the button having that you are still ahead of is Ad7x.

Check/folding with trips + meh FD seems weak, but I think that might be the correct line here? A set just boated, AQ/KQ/QJ/QT are ahead of you (the non-Q in this part of his range is probably a diamond most of the time), and a flush is still ahead of you.

AllTheCheese 11-27-2007 07:40 PM

Re: 50NL - Post/special - Line Check
 
[ QUOTE ]
a lil bit of reasoning might help...

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Any reasonable Queen is ahead of you. Ace of diamonds can't (or shouldn't) bluff too often here because the sidepot is pretty small and not worth it. Betting Q9 is essentially the same as betting 87. It's a bluff which beats a lone Ace of diamonds. If you would bet 87 in this spot, go ahead and bet here. If not, check.

EDIT: I'm thinking check-call is better now. I stoved some and here's what I got.

Board: Qc Qd 7d 2d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 45.402% 43.50% 01.90% 823 36.00 { Qh9d }
Hand 1: 54.598% 52.70% 01.90% 997 36.00 { 77, 33, AdTd, Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad6d, Ad5d, Ad4d, Ad3d, KQs, KdJd, KdTd, QTs+, JdTd, Td9d, Td8d, 9d8d, 8d7d, 8d6d, 7d6d, 6d5d, 6d4d, 5d4d, 5d3d, 43s, Ad7c, Ad7h, Ad7s, KQo, QTo+ }

Sorry bout that. lol I suck @ three-flush flops.


Dorian008 11-27-2007 07:43 PM

Re: 50NL - Post/special - Line Check
 
It's quite close here, first u can't be sure your Queen is the best hand on the flop, but it's not a bad play to raise on the flop

turn b/f, something like 10$ you won't get a raise from a hand you've got beat
river, if he calls and no diamon comes out and u don't imrpove to a boat - bet again something like 10$ (a blockbet) and fold again against a raise

it's also possible to play check/call on the river, but against an unknown i would prefer a blockbet

ship_it_trebek 11-27-2007 07:53 PM

Re: 50NL - Post/special - Line Check
 
I think a coldcall here is Ad a lot more than people are suggesting. Is someone really slowplaying a set, 2p on this board? A higher Q is possible but I think we see Ad a lot here.

coordi 11-27-2007 08:19 PM

Re: 50NL - Post/special - Line Check
 
The vast majority of 50nl slowplays their monsters.

I think a half-pot lead is best here, 8-9, for an easy b/f. If you make it to the river unimproved c/c most reasonable bets.

KurtSF 11-27-2007 08:30 PM

Re: 50NL - Post/special - Line Check
 
I c/f the flop.

Is there really much value in playing a multi-way unraised pot with top-pair-crap-kicker-chity-draw?

coordi 11-27-2007 08:32 PM

Re: 50NL - Post/special - Line Check
 
[ QUOTE ]
I c/f the flop.

Is there really much value in playing a multi-way unraised pot with top-pair-crap-kicker-chity-draw?

[/ QUOTE ]

[img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] I thought this was already assumed


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