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urbanati 10-29-2007 01:13 PM

Strange line from the fish...
 
Villain is 62/26/1.3. My notes say that he never folds if he has any pair or any weak draw on flop/turn.
Is this a valuebet, a blocking bet or a trap? Folding is no option but what is my weakest hand to push here?
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
urbanati: $508.95
CO: $51.40
Button: $254.25
SB: $309.25
BB: $148.80

Pre-flop: (5 players) urbanati is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">urbanati raises to $7</font>, 3 folds, BB calls.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($15, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">urbanati bets $10</font>, BB calls.

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($35, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">urbanati bets $22</font>, BB calls.

River: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($79, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $25</font>, urbanati...

Ajahn 10-29-2007 01:24 PM

Re: Strange line from the fish...
 
Raise/call.

diskopoker 10-29-2007 01:28 PM

Re: Strange line from the fish...
 
i bet more on flop and turn. as played just call river i think.

dragonystic 10-29-2007 01:32 PM

Re: Strange line from the fish...
 
make it $65

pineapple888 10-29-2007 01:47 PM

Re: Strange line from the fish...
 
I just call. This is a 9 too often from this type of player, and it's unlikely you are getting value from much else.

Ajahn 10-29-2007 01:53 PM

Re: Strange line from the fish...
 
I think timing tells come into play as well. If he bet quickly I just call.

spivey 10-29-2007 01:54 PM

Re: Strange line from the fish...
 
This is a definite just call. This is a stupid 9/FH/missed flush draw a lot.

Unknown Soldier 10-29-2007 02:14 PM

Re: Strange line from the fish...
 
i'd def raise vs this guy

tarheeljks 10-29-2007 02:16 PM

Re: Strange line from the fish...
 
what do you mean "this type of player." if you are referring to the af, it is not low considering the vpip.

Noam Chomsky 10-29-2007 02:17 PM

Re: Strange line from the fish...
 
If he has me beat, he has my money cause I'm shoving here every time vs this guy.

Snipe 10-29-2007 02:24 PM

Re: Strange line from the fish...
 
I’d expect to see 33, missed diamonds or a strangely played 9. Even this donk will fold a jack to your shove here. I just call.

Noam Chomsky 10-29-2007 02:30 PM

Re: Strange line from the fish...
 
god, I must have the most insane image of any 20/16 borderline nit cause everybody else sees these fishy guys making big folds whereas I get called by 55+ all day here.

you realize he's got 84 left and when it comes back to us the pot is 104?

tubasteve 10-29-2007 02:37 PM

Re: Strange line from the fish...
 
you guys are silly. this is such a standard blocking bet from villain like 80% of the time.

Snipe 10-29-2007 02:42 PM

Re: Strange line from the fish...
 
I guess that's where it really comes down to reads then. If I think he calls w/ a jack here, AND would actually play a jack like this, bombs away.

To me it looks a lot like nuts or air though, and a shove seems thin given the situation. It seems more likely to turn your hand into a bluff than extract value.

orange 10-29-2007 02:44 PM

Re: Strange line from the fish...
 
raise the river.

pineapple888 10-29-2007 04:25 PM

Re: Strange line from the fish...
 
[ QUOTE ]
what do you mean "this type of player." if you are referring to the af, it is not low considering the vpip.

[/ QUOTE ]

A player with those stats and that read, as OP stated. What else do you want me to say?

pineapple888 10-29-2007 04:30 PM

Re: Strange line from the fish...
 
[ QUOTE ]
you guys are silly. this is such a standard blocking bet from villain like 80% of the time.

[/ QUOTE ]

So what are you saying? If it is a blocking bet, raising is pointless, unless you are counting on the parlay that he chased with air or Jx[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], caught a J on the turn, then forget he made a blocking bet and called your raise anyway. Which is not impossible... but neither is him having you beat.

Edit: or a PP as well. I actually think this is close, but I'd need a little more of a read to push this.

AE6 10-29-2007 04:31 PM

Re: Strange line from the fish...
 
bet more on flop and turn so you can shove the river. as played just shove anyway i guess


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