Re: Villain open shove flops in 3bet pot
 

You are going to call off ur bankroll with those snap judegements, imho.

Re: Villain open shove flops in 3bet pot
 

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The problem is with no real reads it's hard to lay down, but his bet is large enough that laydown is the play against many players.

Preflop seems consistent with AQ, 99, 88 or JTs of hands you fear rather than AA or QQ, but who knows. Postflop, this is a huge bet, and those usually aren't bluffs. So what "real" hands can he have on this flop that you beat? TT? JJ? 77 and down? KQ?

Against a true unknown, I think I'd need more of an overlay to call.

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On this wet board w/ KK this becomes a snap-call.

Re: Villain open shove flops in 3bet pot
 

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You are going to call off ur bankroll with those snap judegements, imho.

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He doesn't have implied odds in a threebet pot. So since its already a winning play, noone is calling off their bankroll.

Frogic

Re: Villain open shove flops in 3bet pot
 

Look, the preflop raise by villain is ambitious and his call preflop with JT out of position is bad.

But when he then shoves $170 into a $44 pot, the question is what hands will he really do this with that KK is ahead of?

It's one thing to make longterm -EV calls preflop, as many losing players do. It's another thing to go all in for 4x the pot on the flop. Many fewer players will do that without a legit hand. The only hands I'd put him on raising preflop and than pushing flop that I beat are AQ, KQ, JJ and TT. Against AA, JT, 99 or 88 I'm toast. Okay, so somtimes I'm against a really bad player who will do this with any Q (or with hands like Q8 or 98, which I'm also behind) or even as a total bluff. But more often I'm against someone with at least some respect for money who wouldn't put in this big of a bet without more than TP. Automatically calling with just an overpair here getting only slightly over even odds is a good way to get broke.

Re: Villain open shove flops in 3bet pot
 

If this were a 27Q board, it's a fold. As there're so many draws that would like some fold equity, as well as lots of combo draws that you're close to, I don't really see how you can fold.

It's definitely a note on him though.

Re: Villain open shove flops in 3bet pot
 

You can fold because you are far from pot commited and it's pretty likely you're beat.

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If this were a 27Q board, it's a fold.

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OMG. I snap call both (and I am not a calling station !!!).

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cawl

Re: Villain open shove flops in 3bet pot
 

It seems like the consensus is "omg, I have Kings, I call". Or maybe "rofl, other players are all maniacs, I call".

Or is there a level of actual thought I'm missing here?

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It seems like the consensus is "omg, I have Kings, I call". Or maybe "rofl, other players are all maniacs, I call".

Or is there a level of actual thought I'm missing here?

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villain is an idiot