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DefiNe 04-18-2007 01:11 PM

DESPERATE - LINE CHECKS NEEDED
 
<u>Hand 1</u>

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players

Stack sizes:
UTG: $102.50
UTG+1: $123.80
CO: $115.80
Button: $126.40
SB: $86.19
Hero: $99.00

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $4</font>, 3 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($8.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $6.5</font>, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($21.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $15.5</font>, UTG+1 calls.

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($52.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero is all-in $74</font>, UTG+1 calls.

Final pot: $200.5

Villain is a bad player running 23/10/2, not a whole lot more to say about him.



<u>Hand 2</u>

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
5 players

Stack sizes:
UTG: $84.53
CO: $179.95
Button: $202.75
SB: $86.49
Hero: $148.15

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls, CO calls, 2 folds, 2 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($3.5, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $2.5</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $8</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($19.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets $12</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $59</font>, CO calls.

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($137.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero is all-in $81.15</font>, CO calls.

Final pot: $299.8

Villain is a 15/7/2 who was running more like 18/12/2 when the hand happened



<u>Hand 3</u>

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
4 players

Stack sizes:
UTG: $219.60
Button: $118.52
SB: $105.88
Hero: $98.25

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $4</font>, SB calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $15</font>, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($47, 3 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $33</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises all-in $102.52</font>, SB folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero calls all-in $50.25</font>.
Uncalled bets: $19.27 returned to Button.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($213.5, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $213.5)


River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($213.5, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $213.5)


Final pot: $213.5

Villain is a lagfish extraordinaire running 39/24/2



<u>Hand 4</u>

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
5 players

Stack sizes:
Hero: $101.50
CO: $124.80
Button: $93.85
SB: $65.22
BB: $97.25

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $3.5</font>, CO calls, 3 folds.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($8.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $6.5</font>, CO calls.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($21.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $14.5</font>, CO calls.

River: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($50.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero is all-in $77</font>, CO calls.
Final pot: $204.5

villain is running 28/5/1, the bet on the turn was actually a misclick but I'd take the criticisms on either line with or without the misclick.



<u>Hand 5</u>

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players

Stack sizes:
UTG: $101.05
UTG+1: $82.59
Hero: $101.50
Button: $88.98
SB: $326.50
BB: $196.25

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $4</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $13.5</font>, Button folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises all-in $326.5</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero

calls all-in $88</font>.
Uncalled bets: $225 returned to SB.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($10, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $208)


Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($10, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $208)


River: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($10, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $208)


Final pot: $10

Unknown.

Unknown Soldier 04-18-2007 01:17 PM

Re: DESPERATE - LINE CHECKS NEEDED
 
1-3 std, unlucky

4 i wouldnt usually bet the turn, don't think he's folding a K

5, meh I think this is fine against an unknown folding wouldnt be bad either.

MasterLJ 04-18-2007 01:18 PM

Re: DESPERATE - LINE CHECKS NEEDED
 
Hand 1, bet more on the flop, bet more on the turn making your river push easier.

Hand 2 very very very very nice, especially raise amount on the turn.

Hand 3 is solid

Hand 4 is pretty solid post-flop, pretty bad pre-flop.

Hand 5 is pretty high variance and you are at the lowest part of the range that a standard player would do this. 3-bet more btw. If you have a read this is fine, but most of the time folding is best.


DefiNe 04-18-2007 01:24 PM

Re: DESPERATE - LINE CHECKS NEEDED
 
[ QUOTE ]
Hand 1, bet more on the flop, bet more on the turn making your river push easier.

Hand 2 very very very very nice, especially raise amount on the turn.

Hand 3 is solid

Hand 4 is pretty solid post-flop, pretty bad pre-flop.

Hand 5 is pretty high variance and you are at the lowest part of the range that a standard player would do this. 3-bet more btw. If you have a read this is fine, but most of the time folding is best.



[/ QUOTE ]

ok thanks man I respect your comments

with regards to the T8s pre-flop, I had stats on the people behind me all having high fold to cont. bet %s among other things

and in Hand 5 I forgot to mention I had a possible tilt-image, which kinda got me to call.

edit - in Hand 5, that's a pot sized re-raise; what do you recommend and why?

MasterLJ 04-18-2007 01:28 PM

Re: DESPERATE - LINE CHECKS NEEDED
 
Don't ever use the pot button =P.

As with everything in poker, knowing "why" is the crucial element of the equation.

You want to 3-bet harder for a few reasons:

1. Cut down on implied odds
2. Make your squeezes more believable
3. Potentially fold better hands (you hold AK villain has 77 for instance)
4. For value

As a general SSNL observation I've noticed that when you raise strong, people are much less inclined to bluff you pre-flop.

For instance, 2 limpers before you and you are on the button with a marginal hand like 77 or KQ. Assuming $100NL, if you make it $6, the blinds are going to fold a multitude of hands. Same with 3-bets. I've noticed that when I repop huge with a 3-bet, most players won't shove AK over me because of the strength I have shown (not always though).

ikestoys 04-18-2007 01:46 PM

Re: DESPERATE - LINE CHECKS NEEDED
 
if you keep playing like this you will be fine

TwistedEcho 04-18-2007 01:51 PM

Re: DESPERATE - LINE CHECKS NEEDED
 
Hand 1 - pot turn so river push is smaller bet, obv shove river

Hand 2 - fine

Hand 3 - I bet more on flop, but standard

Hand 4 - its 5 handed, preflop is fine! ignore the hating nits. Postflop is good too

Hand 5 - Seems fine, i often just mash the pot button, but since you have position and a good hand you don't need to raise it that much harder, making it 3-4x his range is fine either way. I get allin here preflop vs most players, stats on him help.

Based on these hands you play well

Jojje_2k 04-18-2007 01:53 PM

Re: DESPERATE - LINE CHECKS NEEDED
 
Why do you guys want to raise more in hand 5?

MasterLJ 04-18-2007 01:54 PM

Re: DESPERATE - LINE CHECKS NEEDED
 
[ QUOTE ]
Why do you guys want to raise more in hand 5?

[/ QUOTE ]

[ QUOTE ]
Don't ever use the pot button =P.

As with everything in poker, knowing "why" is the crucial element of the equation.

You want to 3-bet harder for a few reasons:

1. Cut down on implied odds
2. Make your squeezes more believable
3. Potentially fold better hands (you hold AK villain has 77 for instance)
4. For value

As a general SSNL observation I've noticed that when you raise strong, people are much less inclined to bluff you pre-flop.

For instance, 2 limpers before you and you are on the button with a marginal hand like 77 or KQ. Assuming $100NL, if you make it $6, the blinds are going to fold a multitude of hands. Same with 3-bets. I've noticed that when I repop huge with a 3-bet, most players won't shove AK over me because of the strength I have shown (not always though).

[/ QUOTE ]

TwistedEcho 04-18-2007 01:56 PM

Re: DESPERATE - LINE CHECKS NEEDED
 
MasterLJ - we have position, we dont need to raise that much bigger. In fact my 10/20 friends who look over my hands actually kept commenting that betting pot IP was a bit big, and they usually do 3x.


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