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euroglot 11-08-2007 08:14 PM

How is the 100-200 game in Bellagio?
 
To make a long story short..

I was wondering if the 100-200 game in Bellagio is loose/fishy enough for a decent winning small stakes (1-2 till 5-10 online) player to make a nice profit.

So how is the game....how many players on average see the flop. Are there many fish? Or is it just a game of the pro's..

I'm a beginning pro (make a small/decent living playing small stakes online) and I was considering moving to Vegas for a few months. I thought here on this forum are maybe a lot of pro's that play in these games so any help is appreciated..

bicyclekick 11-08-2007 08:45 PM

Re: How is the 100-200 game in Bellagio?
 
I highly doubt a small stakes 1/2 - 5/10 player would find the bellagio 1/2 to be a good/appropriate spot.

Now that i've read the last paragraph of your post I think you'd be insane to give it a go.

30/60, on the other hand, I don't know.

DcifrThs 11-08-2007 09:21 PM

Re: How is the 100-200 game in Bellagio?
 
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To make a long story short..

I was wondering if the 100-200 game in Bellagio is loose/fishy enough for a decent winning small stakes (1-2 till 5-10 online) player to make a nice profit.

So how is the game....how many players on average see the flop. Are there many fish? Or is it just a game of the pro's..

I'm a beginning pro (make a small/decent living playing small stakes online) and I was considering moving to Vegas for a few months. I thought here on this forum are maybe a lot of pro's that play in these games so any help is appreciated..

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the only vegas games i've played have been 80/160 at bellagio, 1/2 at rio, 1/2 at wynn that turned into a 150/300 game and 60/120 at wynn that turned into an 80/160 game.

i can't imagine that any of those games would be good enough for you to jump into given your post.

i mean it is possible but i doubt it.

further, i've been told (hearsay) that the bellagio game can, at times, be one of the worst 1/2 games out there.

Barron

kkcountry 11-09-2007 12:31 AM

Re: How is the 100-200 game in Bellagio?
 
move to LA -> commerce 80 game -> ??? -> profit!

hoppscot22 11-09-2007 02:13 AM

Re: How is the 100-200 game in Bellagio?
 
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move to LA -> commerce 80 game -> ??? -> profit!

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there is no commerce 80 game...

stinkypete 11-09-2007 02:24 AM

Re: How is the 100-200 game in Bellagio?
 
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30/60, on the other hand, I don't know.

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i think if you can beat 1/2 online you can beat 30/60 at bellagio.

iversonian 11-09-2007 02:41 AM

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30/60, on the other hand, I don't know.

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i think if you can beat 1/2 online you can beat 30/60 at bellagio.

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Whoa now. I've been away from online a couple years now, but are online games THAT bad nowadays? Does anyone else concur with this statement?

MitchL 11-09-2007 02:45 AM

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30/60, on the other hand, I don't know.

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i think if you can beat 1/2 online you can beat 30/60 at bellagio.

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Whoa now. I've been away from online a couple years now, but are online games THAT bad nowadays? Does anyone else concur with this statement?

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I do, but I apparently to suck at live poker so who knows.

Hobbs. 11-09-2007 04:23 AM

Re: How is the 100-200 game in Bellagio?
 
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30/60, on the other hand, I don't know.

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i think if you can beat 1/2 online you can beat 30/60 at bellagio.

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yup.

stinkypete 11-09-2007 05:26 AM

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30/60, on the other hand, I don't know.

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i think if you can beat 1/2 online you can beat 30/60 at bellagio.

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yup.

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hi jim from the office

jomatty 11-09-2007 06:27 AM

Re: How is the 100-200 game in Bellagio?
 
unless you are just playing low online for kicks where in the world would you even get the bankroll for 100-200? i also think people greatly exaggerate how terrible teh online limit games are. i think the 30 games live are much much tougher than the 1-2 online, although i dont play that much live.

stinkypete 11-09-2007 06:43 AM

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unless you are just playing low online for kicks where in the world would you even get the bankroll for 100-200? i also think people greatly exaggerate how terrible teh online limit games are. i think the 30 games live are much much tougher than the 1-2 online, although i dont play that much live.

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i'm not saying the online games are terrible. i'm saying live 30/60 is sick good. and when you factor in rake, im pretty sure you can win as much in bb/100 at 30/60 live as you can at 1/2 online.

euroglot 11-09-2007 12:42 PM

Re: How is the 100-200 game in Bellagio?
 
owkay so Commerce casino it is [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]. And 30-60 is the highest game there?

johnnyrocket 11-09-2007 01:22 PM

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30/60, on the other hand, I don't know.

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i think if you can beat 1/2 online you can beat 30/60 at bellagio.

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agreed, when i used to frequent 5/10 online i played 3 or 4 live 30/60 games and they were much juicier than online

piggity 11-09-2007 01:43 PM

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owkay so Commerce casino it is [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]. And 30-60 is the highest game there?

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Commerce does not spread 30/60.

The last time I was there, they did have two 40/80 tables, a 60/120 starting, and a 100/200 and a 400/800 game going on a Saturday morning, all games full with wait lists.

euroglot 11-09-2007 01:53 PM

Re: How is the 100-200 game in Bellagio?
 
woow 400-800 [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]....fish there? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

and btw yeah I don't have a bankroll yet for these games, but I'm not even 21 yet....turn 21 the 12th of july 2008..

DavidC 11-09-2007 03:55 PM

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woow 400-800 [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]....fish there? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

and btw yeah I don't have a bankroll yet for these games, but I'm not even 21 yet....turn 21 the 12th of july 2008..

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way to plan ahead! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Grisgra 11-09-2007 04:03 PM

Re: How is the 100-200 game in Bellagio?
 
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move to LA -> commerce 40 game -> ability to breathe -> profit!

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PokerBob 11-09-2007 04:10 PM

Re: How is the 100-200 game in Bellagio?
 
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woow 400-800 [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]....fish there? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

and btw yeah I don't have a bankroll yet for these games, but I'm not even 21 yet....turn 21 the 12th of july 2008..

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there was a good 1k/2k going last night.

Tryptamean 11-09-2007 04:12 PM

Re: How is the 100-200 game in Bellagio?
 
[censored] i wish i could play live more often

euroglot 11-09-2007 07:19 PM

Re: How is the 100-200 game in Bellagio?
 
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woow 400-800 [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]....fish there? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

and btw yeah I don't have a bankroll yet for these games, but I'm not even 21 yet....turn 21 the 12th of july 2008..

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there was a good 1k/2k going last night.

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what do you mean with good?...is it just loose? Are there loose callingstations? Could you descibe the games a little further?

I'm really interested in big juicy games and I couldn't get them in Europe so....any comments are welcome..

Yeti 11-09-2007 11:00 PM

Re: How is the 100-200 game in Bellagio?
 
heh so you are a european 20 year old online 1/2 player. why are you so interested in how many people are seeing the flop 5000 miles away in a 1k/2k game?

Hobbs. 11-09-2007 11:42 PM

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30/60, on the other hand, I don't know.

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i think if you can beat 1/2 online you can beat 30/60 at bellagio.

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yup.

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hi jim from the office

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so I just plowed through all the episodes of s1 to current in the last month, mainly from Dave constantly telling me I look like Jim and that the office rules.

Yeti 11-09-2007 11:45 PM

Re: How is the 100-200 game in Bellagio?
 
and apparently there might only be one more episode in the next 10 months or so. so yeah, i'd have stretched them out a little more, heh

PokerBob 11-10-2007 04:19 AM

Re: How is the 100-200 game in Bellagio?
 
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woow 400-800 [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]....fish there? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

and btw yeah I don't have a bankroll yet for these games, but I'm not even 21 yet....turn 21 the 12th of july 2008..

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there was a good 1k/2k going last night.

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what do you mean with good?...is it just loose? Are there loose callingstations? Could you descibe the games a little further?

I'm really interested in big juicy games and I couldn't get them in Europe so....any comments are welcome..

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Good in that If I had $1.2 million, I'd have sat in it.

They even played a few hands of 4k/8k, but then moved it back to 2k/4k.

Sailboats 11-10-2007 06:37 AM

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30/60, on the other hand, I don't know.

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i think if you can beat 1/2 online you can beat 30/60 at bellagio.

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yup.

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hi jim from the office

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so I just plowed through all the episodes of s1 to current in the last month, mainly from Dave constantly telling me I look like Jim and that the office rules.

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3-best shows on tv: Office, Lost, Entourage

stinkypete 11-10-2007 05:25 PM

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They even played a few hands of 4k/8k, but then moved it back to 2k/4k.

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4k/8k straight limit holdem? siick. who was in it?

emerson 11-19-2007 11:18 PM

Re: How is the 100-200 game in Bellagio?
 
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To make a long story short..

I was wondering if the 100-200 game in Bellagio is loose/fishy enough for a decent winning small stakes (1-2 till 5-10 online) player to make a nice profit.

So how is the game....how many players on average see the flop. Are there many fish? Or is it just a game of the pro's..

I'm a beginning pro (make a small/decent living playing small stakes online) and I was considering moving to Vegas for a few months. I thought here on this forum are maybe a lot of pro's that play in these games so any help is appreciated..

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Different ball game entirely. A winning 5/10 online player may or may not be able to beat this game. It is a complete different skill set. You won't be able to win by just sitting back and playing tight.

DrVanNostrin 11-20-2007 12:03 AM

Re: How is the 100-200 game in Bellagio?
 
How badly will an online player get owned though tells in a live 30/60+ game?

Victor 11-20-2007 12:35 AM

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How badly will an online player get owned though tells in a live 30/60+ game?

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i lold

stinkypete 11-20-2007 01:17 AM

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How badly will an online player get owned though tells in a live 30/60+ game?

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about as badly as he gets owned by timing tells online

MaverickUSC 11-21-2007 07:27 AM

Re: How is the 100-200 game in Bellagio?
 
I concur. 15-30 guaranteed, 30 with some game selection

TheWorstPlayer 11-28-2007 01:28 AM

Re: How is the 100-200 game in Bellagio?
 
This seems like the appropriate spot: I'm a winning mid-stakes NO limit holdem player. I have played some limit over the years online but it has been very limited. I would guess that I'm a winning 10/20 online FIXED limit player, but that's just a guess. How high a game do you think I could sit in and be breakeven in AC (probably Borg or maybe Trop)? Assume the game is a reasonable to good game for the stakes. Thanks.

DeathDonkey 11-28-2007 02:48 AM

Re: How is the 100-200 game in Bellagio?
 
Hi TWP,

You won't want to hear this...live: 20/40 probably because you can just out-fold everyone preflop. online: I very much doubt you can beat 10/20 like you think. The 10/20 6max games going on party day in and day out are tougher than any live 40/80 game I've played in probably ever, filled with a lot of guys that were beating a lot bigger games back on party poker.

If I had to describe what NL players do wrong at limit, it would be sort of difficult, because a NL player can blend in at a limit table for awhile depending on cards and the situations he gets into. But when a NL player makes a mistake in a limit game, he tends to make a BIG mistake, or a compounding mistake. He also tends to have a poor conception of his opponents' hand range so he has to play really 0'th level / ABC.

I know there is a sort of simmering anger that limit players all think NL players are bad at their game and NL players think limit poker is the kiddie game down the street, but since I know you are talking about legitimate stakes for both games, a winning player in one is pretty likely to be a fish in the other, at least right away.

-DeathDonkey

StaticShock 11-28-2007 05:51 AM

Re: How is the 100-200 game in Bellagio?
 
How are the evening wait times for the 15 and 30 games this week? Anybody notice the game quality being significantly better or worse so far this week?

Thanks in advance.

TheWorstPlayer 11-28-2007 09:36 AM

Re: How is the 100-200 game in Bellagio?
 
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Hi TWP,

You won't want to hear this...live: 20/40 probably because you can just out-fold everyone preflop. online: I very much doubt you can beat 10/20 like you think. The 10/20 6max games going on party day in and day out are tougher than any live 40/80 game I've played in probably ever, filled with a lot of guys that were beating a lot bigger games back on party poker.

If I had to describe what NL players do wrong at limit, it would be sort of difficult, because a NL player can blend in at a limit table for awhile depending on cards and the situations he gets into. But when a NL player makes a mistake in a limit game, he tends to make a BIG mistake, or a compounding mistake. He also tends to have a poor conception of his opponents' hand range so he has to play really 0'th level / ABC.

I know there is a sort of simmering anger that limit players all think NL players are bad at their game and NL players think limit poker is the kiddie game down the street, but since I know you are talking about legitimate stakes for both games, a winning player in one is pretty likely to be a fish in the other, at least right away.

-DeathDonkey

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Thanks, DD. I think a big problem I have is that when you're used to playing multi-thousand dollar pots in NL, you don't want to go and play multi-hundred dollar pots in fixed limit. So you move from 10/20 NL to 100/200 FL. But I'll take your words to heart and probably won't sit in any terrible FL games. Although I have been reading this high stakes board for years, so that should have prepared me to beat high stakes games, WTF!

(Also, the 10/20 FL comment comes from actually playing 10/20 on stars, not from just completely idle speculation. But I've only played a few thousand hands, so obviously I can't prove that I'm a winner. I am up money, though, and feel like I can certainly identify the fish and identify leaks in the non-fish, etc.)

DeathDonkey 11-28-2007 07:27 PM

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when you're used to playing multi-thousand dollar pots in NL, you don't want to go and play multi-hundred dollar pots in fixed limit. So you move from 10/20 NL to 100/200 FL

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One thing to remember though is that playing 10/20 NL, you are going to play a $1000 pot maybe a few times in an hour, so maybe 3 times in 100 hands? (I could be way off here). In a $100/200 limit game you will play a $1000 pot probably 90% of the hands. If you have big leaks in limit, they will be magnified by the fact that every pot risks this much money.

-DeathDonkey

TheWorstPlayer 11-28-2007 08:01 PM

Re: How is the 100-200 game in Bellagio?
 
10/20 NL you play $1K pots all the time. Pretty much any pot that goes past the flop. But your point is fair, of course. I'm purely speaking from an action-junky perspective. I know there are better games in the casino for me to play from an EV perspective than 1/2 FL.

hoppscot22 11-28-2007 08:38 PM

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there are so few 1k pots at 10 20 nl compared to 100 200 fixed limit its not even worth debating

TheWorstPlayer 11-28-2007 08:49 PM

Re: How is the 100-200 game in Bellagio?
 
so make it 50/100 FL or whatever other game I'm -EV in. I think everyone understood the point, thanks.


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