6.5 - A7 facing a limper on the bubble
 

Full Tilt Poker Game #4103823231: $6 + $0.50 Sit & Go (Turbo) (31175525), Table 1 - 120/240 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:03:11 ET - 2007/11/07

Seat 3: ocha (6,230)
Seat 5: massivepot (2,300)
Seat 7: MMRobinson (2,435)
Seat 9: MrDannyOcean (2,535)

MrDannyOcean posts the small blind of 120
ocha posts the big blind of 240
The button is in seat #7

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MrDannyOcean [Ad 7h]
massivepot calls 240
1 fold
MrDannyOcean...


The limper was somewhat loose passive but not a total idiot. I don't have the exact stats but say 30/10ish i suppose. The BB is this scenario is a big donkey playing at 60/24.

What's your play here and why?

Re: 6.5 - A7 facing a limper on the bubble
 

We can shove here since the villain is limping v loose and still does raise some hands pre. His limping is a big indicator of weakness, and while our hand isn't that strong it's ahead of his range so we can find a shove. Also we have big FE here and it's the bbl so BB and CO should be reluctant to call lightly.

Re: 6.5 - A7 facing a limper on the bubble
 

Vers, what do you think about completing? I'm normally not the kind of player who messes around late in the tourney, but BB was a huge donk, and was calling a lot (sorry i didnt explicitly say that in OP). He was a maniac-donk.

Do you think completing and trying to flop a hand against a LP and a uberdonk, THEN getting it all in is reasonable? I don't trust BB at all to fold lightly, and it's the bubble, and i think i have good value postflop when i hit. Do you ever use this line against the most awful players?

Re: 6.5 - A7 facing a limper on the bubble
 

If you think BB is calling very lightly then shoving is neg ev so completing is best then.

Re: 6.5 - A7 facing a limper on the bubble
 

if i was bb id shove all day. if sb was closer to our stack id shove all day. Looks like a complete/fold to bb's coming push.

Re: 6.5 - A7 facing a limper on the bubble
 

I fold. It's a disaster getting your push called on the bubble this deep unless you have a high pair. he has to be calling very tight for it to be +EV. It's in fact negative if he's calling with 44+, A8s+, AT+, KQs, giving him a generous open range and putting BB on 8% overcall range. And it quickly gets really bad opening his call range.